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Nautilus
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Jul 28 2016, 03:06:28 PM
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I agree with your first point. I was going to debate you on your second one, but I looked back at the jury forums and I agree. Jarvan, Malph, Teemo and most likely Liss on Shaco. Ori, Kindred, Gnar most likely on Lulu. I think they're definitely considering Garen more as a possibility than Shaco, but they'll go with threat and sometimes friend Lulu more so.
Amu is the ?? who I feel could pull a Garen out of his ass given his earlier play  But otherwise, we might possibly see a tie?!
As a juror though, if you really want to vote for Lulu and Garen over Shaco, there has to be a point where you see these people sitting on a Shaco vote and you think about how to vote strategically. You don't ctrl-f your name in opening speeches to then just leave a vote on someone that doesn't feed into your ego somehow. You either want to vote the winner or vote for someone who you think isn't going to win in order to make a point.
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Zilean
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Jul 28 2016, 03:08:18 PM
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- Jul 28 2016, 02:47:22 PM
It's a distracting argument. It's basically Teemo arguing that he was totally capable of saving Shaco while Shaco literally hadn't logged in during that time. Whether Teemo was capable of it or not shouldn't reflect on Shaco's competence there.
This jury seems deadlocked at this point doesn't it? It's kind of sad that we're dedicating 48 hours to at least three people (Jarvan, Lissandra, Teemo) who will vote Shaco no matter what. At least the other people were considering someone else, even if Garen failed to deliver, and Malphite is likely to vote Shaco anyways.
This is sort of the crux of shacos game here though, which I think makes it okay. He made it to the end convincing everyone he was a goat, while he amassed a set of friends on the jury. The impressiveness of it, imo, can be clearly seen by taking one look at orianna on the jury. She's posting about how it's a two horse race between garen and Lulu, when really garen is the true goat in the finals if anyone. He snuck by as a massive jury threat, and even people on the jury are taking a blind eye to it.
If it was anyone but [kindreds ID], he would be in a great spot with teemos argument. It's just that kindred doesn't want to listen to anything he doesn't want to hear...like every jury he's on.
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Zilean
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Jul 28 2016, 03:55:22 PM
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Kindred: "I'm voting for garen"
THERES A CHANCE BRING IT HOME BUDDY
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Nocturne
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Jul 28 2016, 03:59:14 PM
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He never had to betray anyone because people played the game around him, which is what he's arguing as his selling point. I think it's very strange to vote someone as the winner for arguing that the winning move is not to play. I seriously wonder if people are just getting bored of Survivor.
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Jul 28 2016, 04:01:00 PM
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TBH, nothing against Shaco, but he should have never made it to FTC after the first 3 jurors were announced. That in itself is a huge mistake.
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Zilean
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Jul 28 2016, 04:13:13 PM
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Noct: it's a game of backstabbing, but that doesn't make it a game of loyalty too. Survivor isn't just about making big moves no matter what Jeff says. If we put a label on what you need to do to win, it will pigeonhole everyone into playing the same way, and the game won't be fluid. Also how did you get here if he wasnt playing 
Shen: tbh i don't think shaco would disagree with that
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Zilean
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Jul 28 2016, 04:14:31 PM
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People cherished a zod UTR win, we don't have to shit over a shaco one if he pulls it off
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Zilean
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Jul 28 2016, 04:19:03 PM
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Nautty has been posting for a long time..
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Nautilus
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Jul 28 2016, 04:34:18 PM
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I'll comment on how Shaco has described his strategy since we were apart most of the time and I don't have access to his confessional.
I don't think his game play is so much impressive to me as it isn't unexpected to hear. When he described his merge game play, it makes sense to me why he is in the position he is to potentially win if that is what he did, as his strategy was one many jury threats in recent games have utilized.
"I am at the bottom of the totem pole and have no chance of winning."
Say it enough and people start to believe you. It requires some persuasion skill and to actually not be the goatiest goat around though. Jarvan I don't think could have pulled it off.
But srsly, I am a true Garen ally, e-friends. And he may get a Kindred vote?
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Jul 28 2016, 04:40:31 PM
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- Zilean
- Jul 28 2016, 04:13:13 PM
Noct: it's a game of backstabbing, but that doesn't make it a game of loyalty too. Survivor isn't just about making big moves no matter what Jeff says. If we put a label on what you need to do to win, it will pigeonhole everyone into playing the same way, and the game won't be fluid. Also how did you get here if he wasnt playing
I don't believe he was responsible for my demise despite his claims. From what he's said he was manipulated by Lissandra and Teemo into thinking I was targetting him or something.
I'm not talking about BIG PLAYS. His jury argument has been that he let the big players play the game. There isn't anything that he actually did.
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