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Topic Started: Jun 21 2016, 07:14:53 PM (644 Views)
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Nautilus
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Jun 21 2016, 07:14:53 PM
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I copied the challenge post here:
Challenge Post 
"Let's talk about me for a minute" - Draven
Congratulations! You've passed your first tutorial, now it's time for a second! This time we're going to be a bit more focused on champions, so stay sharp!
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The mods have chosen three League of Legends Champions. You will be asking "Yes" or "No" questions to try to figure out who we chose. The tribe that does this using the fewest questions will win immunity.
You are allowed to use outside sources for this challenge. Please arrange a time which works for your tribe for one of the mods to run this challenge. Only 5 people can participate in this challenge from each tribe.
All of the questions must specifically be designated for 0, at least 1, exactly 1, at least 2, exactly 2, or all 3 of the champions. You are NOT allowed to ask compound questions. For example, you can ask "Is at least one champion female?" but you are not allowed to ask "Is at leash one champion a female that shoots a ranged weapon?"
Before beginning the game, each tribe must submit a number. That number will be their guess as to the total number of questions asked by all tribes. (If a contestant is not guessed, they score the maximum of 150 additional questions) In the event of a tie, the tribe that guessed closest without going over will win immunity.
This challenge will be performed in a topic in your Tribal forum. When you are ready to begin, please make an appropriate topic there. You have 24 hours.
Resources
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions
Sounds like it doesn't matter TOO much which five of us do the challenge as long as we have a solid strategy. people will more league knowledge and good at strategy would probably be most helpful.
Edited by Nautilus, Jun 21 2016, 07:32:30 PM.
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Lulu
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Jun 21 2016, 07:44:18 PM
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I agree about including the three left over into a group if we were to go that route. For example if we were to split the champions into four groups alphabetically, we could go 32-32-32-35.
Regardless of how we go about it, the most efficient way we could possibly do this without taking any risks is by splitting our total possibilities in half every time we ask a question.
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Lulu
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Jun 21 2016, 08:00:22 PM
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All of the questions must specifically be designated for 0, at least 1, exactly 1, at least 2, exactly 2, or all 3 of the champions.
I think using the "all three champions" question may be the easiest way to cut all of our possibilities in half.
The chances of all three champions, for example, being in the first half of the list in alphabetical order, is 1/8. (1/2 * 1/2 * 1/2)
We need to ask a question about all three of the champions, using a group that has the cubic root of 1/2 of the group (about 104 champions).
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Lulu
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Jun 21 2016, 08:02:33 PM
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(For reference,
(104/131)^3 = 50.036%)
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Amumu
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Jun 21 2016, 08:04:19 PM
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Strategy 1: 4 groups, split by 50/50 questions Minimum Questions: 18 Maximum Questions: 21-24ish?
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Doing some math for the 2nd Strategy now :S
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Amumu
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Jun 21 2016, 08:05:30 PM
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In second strategy, let's say we get a No on the first question, we immediately know that 1 of them is in the group of ~20 some left out, what do we do from there? Ask half questions from there?
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Lulu
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Jun 21 2016, 08:08:23 PM
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Yeah. First you figure out how many are in the small group, then you do half questions from there. And after that, you can start cutting bigger chunks out of the bigger group, since you're not dealing with three champions anymore.
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Amumu
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Jun 21 2016, 08:12:45 PM
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- Jun 21 2016, 08:08:23 PM
Yeah. First you figure out how many are in the small group, then you do half questions from there. And after that, you can start cutting bigger chunks out of the bigger group, since you're not dealing with three champions anymore. Do you know how to figure out the min/max # of questions for that strategy? I'm not following it. If either the min or max are above 20 questions I think we just stick with your original strategy.
I also think we should aim for 36 as out tie breaker if that's our min right now?
There should be a way to use mathematics to figure out the mix and max questions for various strategies so we can come up with the best one... I just don't know how to do that with the one your proposed.
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Lulu
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Jun 21 2016, 08:40:02 PM
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I'll work on it, I was thinking about it over food.
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Dr. Mundo
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Jun 21 2016, 08:42:10 PM
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MUNDO VERY CLEAVER
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MUNDO can do
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Quinn
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Jun 21 2016, 08:47:51 PM
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I can be online from like...5est tomorrow to help, of clever people want to continue their data sorting magic with questions
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