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Topic Started: May 27 2017, 10:28:31 PM (1,510 Views)
Lucy
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Gervase
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May 29 2017, 08:26:32 PM
codes are extremely necessary because you literally can't talk to a lot of the other players before tribal. if there were like a few more simultaneous chats, maybe you could do without them, but when players haven't been allowed to speak to one another the alternative is just trying to guess where one another are voting which could lead to big fuckups, or saying it openly in TC which in survivor is usually never the best idea. So codes emerging as a big thing is kind of inevitable
wow......u mean...........................codes literally fly against the point of this whole mechanic?

wow

im shook
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Gervase
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look

"go back to the original plan" or "plan b" is something

because it's forced to be said publicly and then people get to see "oh hey I have no clue what Plan B means therefore I'm fucked" and can use that info

couching codes among emojis and LOL/LMAO variants just means some people won't have any clue there was a code in the first place. that is very very dumb.

the cool thing about the No PMs mechanic was that in order to be forthright with someone, you had to be a bit more...forthright. you had to risk saying something in front of the people you were around. it forced more "obvious" alliances that could be countered.

I think "add more chat groups" is a really bad idea for this format, tbh
instead, I would say to ban codes and rather than doing "chat bids" (which are pretty random tbh), do some kind of invitation-based system where people can be invited along with other people publicly and everyone sees those people wander off together

you got close here but the chat bids made things nuts since other people didn't know if someone was with someone else; didn't know if someone was off searching for the idol; etc.

i actually think LESS chat groups is a good thing because like, during tribe phase, it was just people in groups of 2. it left no room for a majority alliance of four to just walk away as an alliance of four and be like "here's the plan". when you artificially limit group sizes, it creates that potential problem.

i love this mechanic and i think it's probably the thing that could elevate the game, but:
- codes need to be straight up outlawed
- chat groups need to be more based on invitation/social mechanics rather than challenge/stamina mechanics
- who bid on who/invited who/who's together needs to be more public so those on the bottom have a better opportunity to see
- less chat groups; larger potential chat group numbers [sliding scale?]
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Stacy
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Abolishing chat bids and making it so people would have to invite others publically is a good idea, yeah.
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Lucy
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Parvati
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The 6 person water alliance was one of the best parts of the game, yeah. (or rather the fallout thereof!) If you say 'all codes are illegal' is saying 'plan b' illegal because that's a code?
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Matt
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Language itself is a code
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Matt
May 30 2017, 06:47:36 AM
Language itself is a code
No
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Dawson
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It actually seems, really easy to ban codes? I'm defining "code" as something where it's explicitly said in a group that "me saying this means this".

So like when you've agreed to assign a slate of emojis to each player left in the game, and then when you use one that means the vote is on them, that's a code. But if you're just like "Plan B" or something, that's not a code (unless you agreed on it as one, but that means you'd be modkilled). That means you discussed two plans and you want someone to go with the second, but you know have keyed everyone in on a switch in plans. And you can potentially bluff and say "Plan B" even though you don't want them to switch.
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Plan A: Vote Cydney
Plan B: Vote John
Plan C: Vote T-Bird

is that a code
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Dawson
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No. You're demonstrating to your allies that you want a plan to go in affect, and if someone who isn't your ally sees that, they know something is afoot and they need to act accordingly.
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