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If TESV is set in Skyrim, could they be introduced?
No, they are gone. The Nords displaced them.	3 (37.5%)
No, they are now the Rieklings.	0 (0%)
It's possible. Beth could make something up, but it would be dumb.	1 (12.5%)
Absolutely. They are just in hiding.	4 (50%)
Total Votes: 8

Fate of the Falmer; Where are they now?
Topic Started: May 24 2009, 03:29 PM (280 Views)
VickyD	May 24 2009, 03:29 PM Post #1
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	I made a topic like this this at BGSF, but of course I got flamed to death there. It's impossible not to when making a lore-type thread. Any ways, there is a strong possibility that TES V will be in Skyrim, and the big question (to me, anyways) is "Are we going to see Snow Elves?" The popular belief is that post-Fall of the Snow Prince, the Nords drove the Falmer into hiding and since then they have either become extinct or were absorbed into other Elven bloodlines. A second belief is that they evolved (or devolved) into the Rieklings. A third belief is that they are still in hiding just like the Nords left them after Fall of the Snow Price. Evidence for each: Theory 1) Nords killed them all: During the time of Fall of the Snow Prince the Nords were on their expansion campaign. According to Fall of the Snow Prince, the Falmer and the Nords were engaged in a very brutal war. At the end of the book, the Snow Elves were completely dispersed at which point it would have been easy for Nordic raiding parties to hunt them down and kill them all. Also, there is no trace of any Falmer civilization which is further evidence that Nords went around ravaging the Falmer civilization and literally didn't leave a single brick standing. Theory 2) They interbred: The rules of nature is mostly the leading evidence for this theory. After the war with the Nords as described in Fall of the Snow Price, the Falmer population was largely decimated, making them a very small minority. In nature, smaller less dominant groups are normally absorbed by larger, more dominant groups. There's a good chance this happened with the Falmer and Falmer blood now runs through Altimer and Dunmer veins. Theory 3) They are now the Riekling: There's not too much proof for this one, and frankly, I'm not sure why this is a theory. The only seemingly evidence to this is that Fall of the Snow Price is found in a Riekling cave. A goblin trying to get in touch with the history of his people? Doubtful. Theory 4: They are still in hiding: This is my personal favorite theory. Evidence for theory 1 can also apply as evidence for this theory which is that there is no trace of Falmer civilization. Could it be that Falmer civilization was so secretive and isolated that their settlements couldn't be found by the Nords? Could they still be living in these secretive communities? Maybe. (Strait from UESP) Also the strange race known as Ice Warriors, found in the icy caves of Glacier Crawl may be the last remnants of the lost race of Falmer. These beings are uncommunicative with outsiders, but are icy blue skinned humanoids, with features somewhat between Elven and Orcish. (Strait form UESP) So my question is can Beth introduce the Snow Elves into the game if it takes place in Skyrim? If you ask me it would make for a hell of a story line. Discus what you think happened to the Falmer and what you think about them being introduced into the game like the Orcs were. Edited by VickyD, May 24 2009, 03:34 PM.



VickyD	May 24 2009, 03:34 PM Post #2
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	Oops, should this be in Lore?



redsrock	May 24 2009, 03:44 PM Post #3
Jefe el Heffalump Posts: 15,126 Group: Admin Member #54 Joined: December 8, 2007	Yes, it should. I'll move it for you.



Brian S	May 24 2009, 03:56 PM Post #4
Lore Editor Posts: 2,968 Group: Team Member #266 Joined: March 1, 2008	Anything concering this isn't so much lore as conjecture. I think it would be interesting but tricky to introduce the Falmer, because if you just meet them ingame there comes the question of being a playable race.
	In the reflection of your glasses lies the luminescent screen of the television projecting unto your synapses the distorted vision from behind the eyes of corporate contrivances pleading between their cold metal fingers for control which in your advertisement-enslavement you repay tenfold whilst the world spirals into oblivion around your desensitized body and in this cacophonous euphoria we all die and we all die alone.


VickyD	May 24 2009, 04:35 PM Post #5
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	That is what I'm talking about. If they introduce the Falmer into TES V could they become a playable race? Could TES V include a story plot that involves the Falmer's rice to prominence once more?



IAMDIZZYONFANTA	May 24 2009, 04:45 PM Post #6
Bearer of the HOJ Posts: 292 Group: Member Member #529 Joined: May 8, 2009	so, if you played as the Falmer then the main quest would be different?
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VickyD	May 24 2009, 04:51 PM Post #7
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	No I'm saying the main quest (or a side quest) can incorporate the Falmer in some way and introduce them to make them possibly a playable race in TES VI



IAMDIZZYONFANTA	May 24 2009, 04:59 PM Post #8
Bearer of the HOJ Posts: 292 Group: Member Member #529 Joined: May 8, 2009	Oh... I see. Coolio.
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Brian S	May 24 2009, 10:15 PM Post #9
Lore Editor Posts: 2,968 Group: Team Member #266 Joined: March 1, 2008	VickyD May 24 2009, 04:35 PM Could TES V include a story plot that involves the Falmer's rice to prominence once more? No that's lame. And it's too large to be a viable side quest and not mythical enough to be the main quest
	In the reflection of your glasses lies the luminescent screen of the television projecting unto your synapses the distorted vision from behind the eyes of corporate contrivances pleading between their cold metal fingers for control which in your advertisement-enslavement you repay tenfold whilst the world spirals into oblivion around your desensitized body and in this cacophonous euphoria we all die and we all die alone.


The Bean	May 25 2009, 11:39 AM Post #10
Forum Kommisar Posts: 1,000 Group: Member Member #503 Joined: February 10, 2009	Chances are that the Nords either wiped the Falmer out or some survived but eventually interbred with the Aldmer and the then Chimer population to help become the modern elves. The chances that they became Reiklings are just stupid. Let's not forget that it's Korst Wind-Eye who says that, and that he's the member of a tribe. They're going to be a superstitious people, and there are probably a lot of old legends and pieces of folk lore in their history. These are bound to get mixed up sooner or later, and perhaps the legend of what happened to the Falmer got mixed up with some story of how the first Reiklings were born. I doubt TESV will reveal anything new.



VickyD	May 25 2009, 02:18 PM Post #11
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	Brian S May 24 2009, 10:15 PM VickyD May 24 2009, 04:35 PM Could TES V include a story plot that involves the Falmer's rice to prominence once more? No that's lame. And it's too large to be a viable side quest and not mythical enough to be the main quest Well wouldn't you say that the guilds are too large of a side quest? In fact I would call the guilds mini-main quests. Why can't they have a lore-based mini-main quest?



The Bean	May 25 2009, 02:25 PM Post #12
Forum Kommisar Posts: 1,000 Group: Member Member #503 Joined: February 10, 2009	Because the resurgence of an entirely new race, most likely one who would be severely pissed off with Skyrim, would probably result in a war. Most likely the bitterness of the genocide would have grown into full blown hatred and the falmer would be zealots, bent on annihilating not just the Nords, but everybody else, claiming Tamriel as a birthright. They might not succeed, true, but having an entire army of fanatics who would fight to the death threatening Tamriel would make up more than just a side quest...



redsrock	May 25 2009, 02:30 PM Post #13
Jefe el Heffalump Posts: 15,126 Group: Admin Member #54 Joined: December 8, 2007	Guild quests are part of what's referred to in-game as "Faction Quests." Same with Dark Brotherhood, etc.



Brian S	May 25 2009, 02:38 PM Post #14
Lore Editor Posts: 2,968 Group: Team Member #266 Joined: March 1, 2008	Yeah, faction quests are different. This is like a huge historical event, that doesn't really play at all into a likely event for a MQ
	In the reflection of your glasses lies the luminescent screen of the television projecting unto your synapses the distorted vision from behind the eyes of corporate contrivances pleading between their cold metal fingers for control which in your advertisement-enslavement you repay tenfold whilst the world spirals into oblivion around your desensitized body and in this cacophonous euphoria we all die and we all die alone.


poochie_d1	May 25 2009, 06:21 PM Post #15
B Dawggy Dawg Posts: 2,844 Group: Member Member #78 Joined: December 13, 2007	How about an expansion?



Brian S	May 25 2009, 07:14 PM Post #16
Lore Editor Posts: 2,968 Group: Team Member #266 Joined: March 1, 2008	I'd like Falmer ruins and a mystery to explore rather than the falmer coming back or whatever
	In the reflection of your glasses lies the luminescent screen of the television projecting unto your synapses the distorted vision from behind the eyes of corporate contrivances pleading between their cold metal fingers for control which in your advertisement-enslavement you repay tenfold whilst the world spirals into oblivion around your desensitized body and in this cacophonous euphoria we all die and we all die alone.


VickyD	May 27 2009, 02:47 PM Post #17
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	But there are none...



The Bean	May 27 2009, 02:49 PM Post #18
Forum Kommisar Posts: 1,000 Group: Member Member #503 Joined: February 10, 2009	Well in the TES games that I've played (Morrowind and Oblivion, namely) there's always the ruins of some ancient, fallen race. It's a nice trend, and one I wouldn't mind continuing.



VickyD	May 27 2009, 02:52 PM Post #19
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	I really gotta find that article that I read that states that there are no Falmer ruins.



redsrock	May 27 2009, 03:18 PM Post #20
Jefe el Heffalump Posts: 15,126 Group: Admin Member #54 Joined: December 8, 2007	Vick, Beth doesn't care. If they want their generic dungeon tileset to be Falmer, nothing's gonna stop them.



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