Thirteen shot dead at US army base

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Thirteen shot dead at US army base; How...
Topic Started: Nov 5 2009, 04:59 PM (616 Views)
VickyD	Nov 7 2009, 08:37 PM Post #61
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	Then send the evidence to the judge. It's an easy conviction. We shouldn't be pumping money into a deadman.



BabaORiley54	Nov 7 2009, 08:38 PM Post #62
The Sniper. Posts: 4,503 Group: Member Member #61 Joined: December 8, 2007	VickyD Nov 7 2009, 08:37 PM Then send the evidence to the judge. It's an easy conviction. We shouldn't be pumping money into a deadman. Not really, since isn't he paying for it? Since you don't have healthcare there.



vanir90210	Nov 7 2009, 08:39 PM Post #63
Budding Lyricist Posts: 2,792 Group: Member Member #394 Joined: May 19, 2008	A judge can't convict him, though. A jury has to do that, the judge just decides the sentence.
	Spoiler: click to toggle "I look at the eyes, straight to the soul doorway" Redsrock Dammit, Vanir...... I had an awesome daydream of me and Anne Hathaway on a private island. And then in the daydream you came in and murdered her, then asking for my hand in marriage.


redsrock	Nov 7 2009, 08:45 PM Post #64
Jefe el Heffalump Posts: 15,129 Group: Admin Member #54 Joined: December 8, 2007	Haha. The justice system in America is far from great.



VickyD	Nov 7 2009, 08:46 PM Post #65
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	Same difference. Present the evidence to a jury, and if it really makes America feel better, let the family of the criminal heir a lawyer for him.



vanir90210	Nov 7 2009, 08:55 PM Post #66
Budding Lyricist Posts: 2,792 Group: Member Member #394 Joined: May 19, 2008	redsrock Nov 7 2009, 08:45 PM Haha. The justice system in America is far from great. Yes, but it's better than some countries where if you're accused of something, you're executed, no questions asked.
	Spoiler: click to toggle "I look at the eyes, straight to the soul doorway" Redsrock Dammit, Vanir...... I had an awesome daydream of me and Anne Hathaway on a private island. And then in the daydream you came in and murdered her, then asking for my hand in marriage.


Nilloc James	Nov 8 2009, 03:09 AM Post #67
IT Posts: 1,940 Group: Member Member #471 Joined: November 10, 2008	redsrock Nov 7 2009, 08:45 PM Haha. The justice system in America is far from great. waiting, being guarenteed a fair trial before a jury of your peers is far from great? How do you rate military executions with no trial nor listed indictment.
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Nilloc James	Nov 8 2009, 03:10 AM Post #68
IT Posts: 1,940 Group: Member Member #471 Joined: November 10, 2008	vanir90210 Nov 7 2009, 08:35 PM But it's what makes this country great. Until an authority figure states someone to be guilty, they can't be called such. actually not an authority figure, but even better: a jury of peers. But same princible applies. EDIT: Sorry i didn't mean to double post I should have copied this into my other post but, well... I don't know what I was thinking, sorry. Edited by Nilloc James, Nov 8 2009, 03:11 AM.
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Unpleasant_Assailant	Nov 8 2009, 03:31 AM Post #69
Chief Global Moderator Posts: 4,704 Group: Global Moderator Member #194 Joined: January 12, 2008	I won't yell over the double post, just remember next time Uhm you guys are missing that not all trials are by jury. You can ask to have the judge decide the case....



lettuceman44	Nov 8 2009, 03:34 AM Post #70
Emperor Posts: 7,099 Group: Admin Member #5 Joined: December 3, 2007	Military court should deal with it.



Nilloc James	Nov 8 2009, 03:39 AM Post #71
IT Posts: 1,940 Group: Member Member #471 Joined: November 10, 2008	Unpleasant_Assailant Nov 8 2009, 03:31 AM I won't yell over the double post, just remember next time Uhm you guys are missing that not all trials are by jury. You can ask to have the judge decide the case.... I thought that was only in certain cases, mainly non-criminal ones. Quote: Military court should deal with it. I've never been comfortable with the idea of the military not answering to the same justice system as everyone else. Edited by Nilloc James, Nov 8 2009, 03:40 AM.
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Unpleasant_Assailant	Nov 8 2009, 03:51 AM Post #72
Chief Global Moderator Posts: 4,704 Group: Global Moderator Member #194 Joined: January 12, 2008	Nilloc James Nov 8 2009, 03:39 AM Unpleasant_Assailant Nov 8 2009, 03:31 AM I won't yell over the double post, just remember next time Uhm you guys are missing that not all trials are by jury. You can ask to have the judge decide the case.... I thought that was only in certain cases, mainly non-criminal ones. Quote: Military court should deal with it. I've never been comfortable with the idea of the military not answering to the same justice system as everyone else. This case would require a court marshal though



The Bean	Nov 8 2009, 09:37 AM Post #73
Forum Kommisar Posts: 1,000 Group: Member Member #503 Joined: February 10, 2009	vanir90210 Nov 7 2009, 08:55 PM redsrock Nov 7 2009, 08:45 PM Haha. The justice system in America is far from great. Yes, but it's better than some countries where if you're accused of something, you're executed, no questions asked. Yeah, it's principles like that that make America a democracy, not an non-democracy (unocracy?)



VickyD	Nov 8 2009, 09:45 AM Post #74
Flying Penguin Posts: 2,925 Group: Member Member #466 Joined: October 16, 2008	I'm sick of this statement. We are a republic! We never were and never will be a democracy.



The Bean	Nov 8 2009, 12:58 PM Post #75
Forum Kommisar Posts: 1,000 Group: Member Member #503 Joined: February 10, 2009	Aren't they basically one and the same? Still if you want it to be precise, then I shall rephrase that. It's principles like that that make America a republic, not a non-republic. (unpublic?) We good?



BabaORiley54	Nov 8 2009, 01:09 PM Post #76
The Sniper. Posts: 4,503 Group: Member Member #61 Joined: December 8, 2007	lettuceman44 Nov 8 2009, 03:34 AM Military court should deal with it. Wouldn't a military court HAVE to deal with it since he's in the military?



redsrock	Nov 8 2009, 01:14 PM Post #77
Jefe el Heffalump Posts: 15,129 Group: Admin Member #54 Joined: December 8, 2007	Civilians were killed, though, right? Doesn't that take it away from the military courts?



The Bean	Nov 8 2009, 01:19 PM Post #78
Forum Kommisar Posts: 1,000 Group: Member Member #503 Joined: February 10, 2009	I think it's still a military matter if a member of the military committed said crime, though I think it has to be whilst they were on duty. I'm no expert on military law, however, so don't quote me on that.



BabaORiley54	Nov 8 2009, 02:36 PM Post #79
The Sniper. Posts: 4,503 Group: Member Member #61 Joined: December 8, 2007	The Bean Nov 8 2009, 01:19 PM I think it's still a military matter if a member of the military committed said crime, though I think it has to be whilst they were on duty. I'm no expert on military law, however, so don't quote me on that. Well, as soon as you graduate from training aren't you 'on duty.'



Unpleasant_Assailant	Nov 8 2009, 03:11 PM Post #80
Chief Global Moderator Posts: 4,704 Group: Global Moderator Member #194 Joined: January 12, 2008	VickyD Nov 8 2009, 09:45 AM I'm sick of this statement. We are a republic! We never were and never will be a democracy. If you're talking about America we are a democracy.....



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