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Round V: The Hero of Skyrim; A Dead is Dead Competition
Topic Started: Feb 3 2017, 09:00 AM (2,802 Views)
neildarkstar
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Really, it all comes down to a statement made by Sah that she allowed you, Rick, to convince her to play fair. That's exactly what she said, though of course it seems she's conveniently edited that post out (shame on you, Sah), so there's no way to show it...

In the end, it seems to me that in a competition based on an honor system, not playing fair would seem to indicate cheating of one sort or another... You can call it just playing dirty, as Sakiri mentioned, but in the end what is it really when people are expected to play with honor?
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I first rolled in on this about 15 mins after Sah edited her posts out, been checking back in periodically this morning. The trouble with blanked out posts is that this is now all very one sided which goes a way towards making one party look the villain, either because they make claims that are not (visibly) substantiated or because they have chosen to remove any evidence that is detrimental.

Not taking sides or throwing stones, just saying what I see here.

Either way, without having seen what was said on both sides, it just looks like both parties have perhaps not made the best choice of words....the implication of cheating in our competitions carries quite a sting after all, but it's a natural conclusion if one admits to needing a push to "play fair"

Can we all agree to just sweep it under the rug? Since I know of no way for the full exchange to become available to all, further discussion is just likely to bruise egos and breed some small measure of resentment.

Regardless, a lot of people rocket skills pretty quick when levelling is key to survival and in some cases I am surprised at how fast they go up, but if one knows the best ways to min/max levelling then it can be done pretty easy. Also, money is easy to come by in Skyrim if done the right way....selling filled soul gems, gems picked up in ore veins (especially when you can smell an ore vein from half way across the province), loot, potions, etc.
Edited by Poncho, Feb 12 2017, 08:46 AM.
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Hmmm I think I agree with Poncho here... the removal of 1/2 a conversation has bad look..

BTW ...Kane might be able to bring the post's back up, but I am not sure he should.

Rick... Bringing up that someone else might have been cheating previously, now... that doesn't look good either, you should have brought that to my attention or if it was me, should have been brought up to someone else..

Two way's we can go now... pull it all out and talk about it.. or start that slow spiral to not talking to each other... resenting what might be a mistake in wording...which look's like the way it's heading... Unless asked, we don't DO what other sites do and pull posts, we are friends! You may get mad at your friend...but you hash it out!
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I *think* from reading the edit history (which I can do), that Sah likely refers to Rick convincing her that the 20 hour setup phase would be playing fair even though she herself thinks starting even Steven out of the gate is the only fair way.

Pretty sure that's a confusion between the way Sah puts things and how Neil understood it.

[I have to agree that wiping out half a convo, so that only admins can see the "gone" half, is a really bad idea.... Especially as it leads to misunderstandings exactly of this sort.]
Edited by Serethil, Feb 12 2017, 10:14 AM.
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I'd forgive and forget (forgetting is easy for me, after all :) ) but it takes two, doesn't it?
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Yup. It does.
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the refrence is to Rick is from post #30 from the Bethesda Thread DiD Hero games

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Sah Vulon,

You can't seriously be considering prep time like some muther cuddlin lollipop suckin snowberry!

C'mon soldier....today is a good day to die! Huzzah!
Legendary
Vanilla start off the cart for an easy 500

I expect nothing less



that is what this one was talking about, was referring to this conversation, ..........so if I used the WORD FAIR in a later post .......so what? you cant suggest that there is any cheating going on from this ...........

sorry for deleting the posts .........it was getting out of hand with Neil ........so this one deleted them, was trying to avoid a big opinionated fight with him, and here we are ......... BUT if a Moderator can get the posts back ...........please do so, put them all back up BECAUSE there was no malice in them or attacking any one, was just expressing her thoughts about the 2 hour bonus thing, nothing else..............and got called a cheat



Edited by Sah, Feb 12 2017, 11:16 AM.
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I'll put them back, Sah. We're all adults and friends here - it's best to leave things, and sort it out in an adult conversation.
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Feb 12 2017, 11:13 AM
I'll put them back, Sah. We're all adults and friends here - it's best to leave things, and sort it out in an adult conversation.
thanks Serethil :)
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This is a friendly little forum, and we need each other.

Let's see if we can "forgive and forget." (Neil, it may take two to forget, but forgiving is done one by one. :) )

And let's bear something in mind here. We do this for fun. There are no cash prizes. Nobody wins a car. Nobody loses their rent money. :)
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glargg
Feb 12 2017, 11:18 AM
And let's bear something in mind here. We do this for fun. There are no cash prizes. Nobody wins a car. Nobody loses their rent money. :)
Couldn't have said it any better myself. :)
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glargg
Feb 12 2017, 11:18 AM
This is a friendly little forum, and we need each other.

Let's see if we can "forgive and forget." (Neil, it may take two to forget, but forgiving is done one by one. :) )

And let's bear something in mind here. We do this for fun. There are no cash prizes. Nobody wins a car. Nobody loses their rent money. :)
Very true. This is something y'all do for fun and perfecting skills in a difficult, unfriendly game world (see Rick's and Neil's posts in another thread!)

It's all back, and let's just be mature and friendly, and try not to misunderstand things.
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I had a lot to say but changed my mind... but Please all remember IF you bring a conversation over from another forum.. or even an idea, quote it not everyone read's all the thread's in Beth.soft or Beth.net...

Sah I'd say it was rather hurtful that you think the last couple of competition's were crap.. cause I came up with most of those ideas... but I don't think you meant it to be hurtful..

This one was a few people's idea's together..but still.

So here's the idea's I came up with for a couple different rounds..

1) dungeon crawl race...
a) you may use all the difficulty mod's you want... they must out weight the "helpful ones"
* we can vote and do 100% vanilla ( barring patches and graphics)
* We can also vote Nekkid Nord Style
b) pick dungeons.. even people who don't play pick some dungeons
c) Timed.. fastest person through all the dungeon's wins..
d) Start no later than tower with Ulfric and Ralof
e) scaled difficulty..
f) your build
Easter Egg hunter..
1).. Hunter both real egg's from mods ( I'll think of thing's for 360, ps3 and ps4 players) and "Easter egg's"
2) most "egg's" of both types win..
3) at the same time do some other small games
This one is for fun.... give us some time to talk over the way that our games are going and if that is the direction we wish them to go...


Edit:... If no one talks.. no one listens...
Edited by Areial, Feb 12 2017, 11:50 AM.
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Feb 12 2017, 03:59 AM
*snip*

so with a 20 hour advantage and I am asking Bram to come clean .............HONESTLY how much cash do you have even before you start playing ?

Did we not all know the rules prior to start of the competition?

Did the majority not agree that for any difficulty level Expert and above that a 20 hour prep time would be a part of this competition?

Did I not declare in my entry post that I would be using the Prep Time?

One is curious as to why Bram has to "come clean" about how much money Venetus has accrued (as if I cheated) when EVERYONE knew prior to the competition that purchasing homes would be a challenge? (Currently 41141 Septims on Venetus).

Rick
Feb 12 2017, 07:58 AM
*snip*

I will say....although I have not been in the last few competitions.....some of the stats I see reported in by some people have stretched my credulity.

I KNOW how long it takes to raise those slow rising skills and I keep seeing stats showing folk achieving meteoric rises is fighting skills and smithing....training is allowed, yes ...but how do you make the coin to pay for it that fast? (And you only get five points in one skill per level).

I am starting to believe that a lot of undeclared skill spamming is going on (sneaking next to sleeping guards for an hour, shooting trolls constantly from a safe vantage, blocking against mudcrabs for an hour, that kind of thing....which is illegal in competition)......you can't explain super high skills in very short time any other way!

But as for Sah....her stats screens in time past and her reported stats in competition are entirely believable......Sah at least, does not cheat.


So point out what you find unbelievable Rick and let those you're suspect of respond with "the how" they got those skills leveled.

Imo if anyone does better than the established typical competition winners they're accused of cheating somehow and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth with regards to ever being in future competitions. Honor system my arse!

Edited for grammar.

Edited by Brambleberry, Feb 12 2017, 11:59 AM.
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Rick... problem is each of us play's differently ...

Food for thought.. and as all this "cheating" crap is just that.. crap... we play on the honor system.. if you think someone is cheating.. say it then and their or not at all...

I had a PM from a perspective player.. he didn't join.. because he felt that without proof.. their is no way that Sah and you could get that high, Legendary, without cheating... All of us here know differently, cause we have watched how you both play over the years.. and I said so...

We play on the honor system.. hmmfp If we can't... then.. well proof is in the video.. of the whole game, which BTW was suggested to me.. which will put me out of the games cause I can't up-load that much will my phone data...won't even try.

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I won't venture an opinion, as I don't play DiD and have not read all of the posts pertinent to what's going on, but...I will say, coin is easy to make for training without raising skills at all, just takes time to chop all that wood. :)
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Feb 12 2017, 12:39 PM
...if you think someone is cheating.. say it then and their or not at all...
Quoted for truth.
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That's asinine Are, because a lot of folks get data caps.
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Feb 12 2017, 02:09 PM
That's asinine Are, because a lot of folks get data caps.
True that.. and yes I did say that as well.

New players can play by the rules we have ( the general DiD rules and rules for each round) or they need to help us refine them... for myself, I won't ask for changes just to suit one person.

I truly think we need a couple "fun" rounds.. so that we can all discuss how our game is going.. Ie I mean the trends that we are taking.. Mod's, rules etc.

BUT it does no good if not everyone voices their opinion... and sometimes that is what I feel happens...
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I try not to voice mine because it's tainted by jaded ages of getting rekt by 2h.....
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