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| Round V: The Hero of Skyrim; A Dead is Dead Competition | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 3 2017, 09:00 AM (2,801 Views) | |
| Areial | Feb 12 2017, 02:35 PM Post #161 |
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<snicker> we all get owned by 2h'ers... |
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| glargg | Feb 12 2017, 02:43 PM Post #162 |
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On the subject of speedy rise in skills, I think it's worth pointing out that this is affected by difficulty setting (for combat skills), rested/well-rested, standing stones, and in the case of magic, by the casting cost. Likewise, crafting and speech (mercantile) skill-rises are proportional to the value of the item, so making expensive jewelry, enchanting it, and selling it will result in fast increases of Smithing, Enchanting, and Speech. So play-style has a lot to do with how fast people's skills improve. |
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| Sakiri | Feb 12 2017, 03:37 PM Post #163 |
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Jarl
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I just don't want to see our community go tits up because of silly things. |
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| Kane | Feb 12 2017, 03:46 PM Post #164 |
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Heh. Tits. |
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| Sakiri | Feb 12 2017, 04:12 PM Post #165 |
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Heh... Men. Lol. |
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| Poncho | Feb 12 2017, 04:13 PM Post #166 |
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You're an ornithologist Kane? Glargg, worth pointing out that some skills also get a big bump off of others, for example sneak rockets up when used in conjunction with archery because of those extra XP bumps on every hit. Throw in a 30% skill learning boost (standing stone/well rested bonus) and you're looking at a shadowy thief/assassin in no time at all. But that's gaming the system to min/max your character development which, as said before, some people are better at than others....fact of gaming is there's always someone who knows the mechanics better. Glad we seem able to be moving past this disagreement anyhow :) Also I hate 2-handers....they have excessive range and coupled with a high single hit damage are very dangerous to a DiD character. I may have to dig up the mod that fixes weapon ranges for future rounds. Means you have to get in much closer to land a blow, but so does the enemy. |
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| Sakiri | Feb 12 2017, 04:28 PM Post #167 |
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Jarl
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Yeah, 2 handers are bullshit. |
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| Sah | Feb 12 2017, 05:06 PM Post #168 |
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Firstly to all members ...........sorry Secondly to Neil, ..........sorry Thirdly to Areial ...........sorry Forthly to Rick ............sorry @ Areial, never ment to offend you or the work that you do for the games, you try your best to make every one happy, you saw from the start that I was very confused about the rules, I asked on Bethesda, this one did not have time to take part in the per-round conversation, was just coming out of the thunderdome strait into this com that its nominated start day was the same ending thunderdome day ........... In reality I did not have time to examine the 20 hour buff thing, only after reaching level 25 in my own game did this one start thinking about how this rule will affect the outcome of the games, so all this one wanted was to find out how much cash Bram has, and YES in the process may have complained that she thought the rule was silly ...............because besides it helping you build a build even befor you start playing it also lets you collet half the cash to buy all the property needed to win ............ thats the part this one was calling a unfair advantage STARTING with +30000 or +40000 gold, this is a very big buff and was trying to say that 500pts for the cart start was not good enoff bonus or a balance factor @ Bram, so you did read the post because you have quoted it, YOU did see the part about no offence to Bram for taking that option, all I wanted was to know how much cash you had? ..........the come clean was just a figger of speech nothing else, that you or any one else chose that option good for you. @ Rick .............sorry my dear good friend, you support and stand up for this one every time, sorry I dragged you into this, and you should not be put on the spot for expressing your opinion about grinding skills and the point this one would like to make is that he is RIGHT .........it is very easy to grind skills in this game ........and Im not talking about using archery & sneaking at the same time as glagg sugests, ...........is talking about skills like illusion where you can cast muffle for no reason at all, that you can sit and hit Raldoff all day long in the Keep and exit with a 1 handed at +50 ...the list gose on an on .........thats the point Rick is making, NOT that anyone is actualy doing it ........it is a dark aspect of the game and this is where the honor system come into play ........we all agree to play FAIR but is something that cant be monitored, the same way you cant prove reloading or Deaths Rick is not a villan for sugeting this .........and should not be put on the spot for expressing this opinion, and this one supports him and will stand by him! there is a Dead is Dead mod for PC, why are we not using it ? |
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| Rick | Feb 12 2017, 05:16 PM Post #169 |
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You should have put him on to me or Sah.....we enjoy helping people and frequently explain our techniques used to progress the game. It ain't rocket science nor some secret mumbo jumbo we withold! We hide nothing and show UI stats screens as we go so it can be seen. The only issue is that stats screen do not show HOW a skill has been raised. Sah is very fast at levelling...I tend not to worry so much even though it takes me longer to get perks. Her levelling is the result of hundreds of tested methods to maximise levelling speed. For example, she opens EVERY lock in Whiterun at the game start....giving her several fast level ups and perks. Nothing wrong in that....but its a methodology that applied to all aspects of the game gets her levelled up in hours that takes most of us days. Sah has been only to happy to explain her "secrets" to those who want to know. I explain our (Adella and I) methods readily also....anyone can repeat what I do....providing they are happy with the play style....shrug. I also do not profess to be any kind of game guru.....we can't play mages for toffee, for example....if someone wanted to know about efficient mage play they would be better off asking Neil or Bram. |
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| Areial | Feb 12 2017, 05:28 PM Post #170 |
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Sah... no problemo... :wub: Rick... I directed him to threads and vids... cause it was not something I wanted to plop out... I understand how Sah levels fast and how both of you play... which can look odd to a newbie. Seriously a "how to " video would do wonders! As I prefer 2h or spellswords, I could give chapter and verse on them... but only at low to mid lvls... with the skill sets I choose, they lvl way to slow after the mid 30's. |
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| Brambleberry | Feb 12 2017, 05:31 PM Post #171 |
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Sah you posted the following over on the Beth forums prior to starting your competition. Posted 05 February 2017 - 08:07 PM A window of prep time is allowed for this round: 20 hr prep-time - 360 & PS3 allowed to become Thane of Whiterun and buy Breezehome - Other platforms not allowed to do any Thane, C.W., or Bounty quests - Must be Expert, Master or Legendary to use Prep Time can some one explain this? is very confused? ---------- Sah Vulon, on 05 Feb 2017 - 7:03 PM, said: so has 20 hours before this one starts using her nominated 40 hours game time to make a build ?...........so that 60 hours total, is this one understanding this correctly?................no bonus points for this? whats a vanilla start? Areials Reply: Vanilla start= cart ride with Ralof and crew. Yes, that is correct, you just can't do the Thane quests, civil war quests or any bounties.... til the 20 hrs is up... but will have 60 total. -------- Posted 06 February 2017 - 06:30 AM will go with Prize #1 :clap: .......the vanilla start & 500 pts :thumbsup: Seems to me with the same knowledge that everyone had you were happy with your choice (based on your emotes). And yes I did take offense because saying "no offense" means you are saying something that is offensive to the receiving party. And now that the 2 individuals have passively/aggressively accused folks of cheating I withdraw from competitions. As Rick has said, enjoy your day however you play! :meh: |
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| Kane | Feb 12 2017, 05:43 PM Post #172 |
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| Poncho | Feb 12 2017, 06:01 PM Post #173 |
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Bram, I would like to take the opportunity to say I'm sure we'll all miss your participation in competitions...by your use of plural should we take this to mean all future competitions too? If so that would be a shame :( I would also like to apologise in case anything I have said might have contributed towards this decision, I know I sometimes put my boot squarely in my mouth (and it's a very large boot to boot) :'( I don't think any comment regarding "unfair advantage" is aimed at you personally and solely, but more at the rule itself as it is a new adjustment to how we play and so needs a little fine tuning for in future. To everyone in general....can we all agree there was a little misunderstanding to begin with? At whatever stage this occurred, it has lead to incorrect/skewed perceptions of the situation and progressed to "fighting words"....I for one would like for us all to step away from the discussion for 24 hours, take the opportunity to cool our respective jets and come back level headed and hopefully feeling a little less hand on hilt (for lack of a better way of putting it). It seems rather a small disagreement to be putting holes in our little community, does it not? Again, apologies to one and all if I step on any toes here....my boots really are rather large :hugs: |
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| neildarkstar | Feb 12 2017, 06:45 PM Post #174 |
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Sah...I misunderstood what you were saying.... I'm sorry. Bram, my little set-to with Sah brought you into this, and I'm sorry for that. Indeed all of this went far beyond anything I was expecting. As to spamming, I think perhaps we have different views of what constitutes spamming in some cases. I think it'd be safe to say that the multiple or long-term use of a skill WITH NO PURPOSE is what makes spamming unacceptable. In that vein, I think we need to look closely. Rick has said that sneaking up on a sleeping guard is spamming, and I agree... unless you are intending to pick his pocket. My own sneak skills rise quickly, but it's because I tend to ALWAYS sneak my way through most dungeons. Honestly though, I'm really not so aware of the mechanics of what I use (I tend to forget things like mechanics, potions, enchanted jewelry and such because my short-term memory was fried when I died). I've never used a potion of true shot in thousands of hours of playing for instance, because I generally can't remember that it even exists in my inventory let alone remember to use it. On the other hand, one of my favorite things is to go into Embershard early, sneak in the back door up to the overlook. At first the patrolling bandit will not come up to the landing, detecting me before he gets there and running back down to the bridge. This results in a rapid rise in sneak skill, and my two first perks taken are the sneak and sneak muffle perks. When he does not spook and walks up to the overlook, I then follow him part way back down toward the footbridge below. I reach a point where I can jump the railing beside the path and drop to a lower ledge where there is a coin purse and a locked chest, which I loot. There is a narrow tunnel that leads back to the room where the bandit sits at a small table. He/she is usually a 2 hander. I sneak up to where I can see out of the tunnel, and shoot an arrow at the rock wall on the far side of the bridge. The 2 hander jumps up and runs to the wall where the arrow hit along with the patrolling archer. in the meantime, I sneak across to the small room where the other chest is, and the gems and coin purse. When I'm done, I sneak back to the entrance of that small room and shoot an arrow across the footbridge into the far wall again, and while the bandits are running to check it out, I sneak down the hall to where the treasure room is. ...and so it goes until I have passed completely through Embershard, hopefully without being detected and with no combat. In this process I usually rise 5 to 10 skill levels in sneak. I do the same in a number of other dungeons every time I go to them because I almost NEVER play a pure fighter. If I don't do this, it's because for one reason or another I'm not allowed to sneak. Now for the point of all this... Is that spamming? I don't think so, but your idea may be different because it results in a rapid rise in sneak (and sometimes pickpocket :) ). If I go to Solitude and pick every lock in the city without burglarizing those houses, is it spamming? If I pick all of those locks and go in to steal gold, ingredients, and soul gems is it spamming? Maybe some questions of that nature need to be answered, eh? |
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| Areial | Feb 12 2017, 07:10 PM Post #175 |
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Bram... please take a day or so and think about it... I will very much miss you if you don't play. I think Poncho is correct. . We really need to stop and think. We have a nice little home away from home. I also think Neil is correct, we need to discuss where our games are going... the direction we've taken, that not everyone is happy with and where we go from here |
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| Sah | Feb 12 2017, 08:15 PM Post #176 |
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ohhh Areial after this ...........NO more videos, Im intending of LIVE STREAMING my runs from now on .......everything will be exposed.....I am not afraid of this, my videos only show half the truth of what this one can truly do .........that will be from next moth or so after this one goes to hospital for a opp...... and still has electricity to boot up her PC (yes things are that bad) My problem has always been data .........has pre-paid thats why I cant upload massive videos like After Dark dose (over 1 hour each).........getting a lightning fast internet connection is way out of my price range (if there are any rich ppl here some help please, a sponsorship for one month) but will try to set it up for the next games. (it would give me great pleasure showing every one how I do it, the logic behind everything) would have liked if you told this one about the email ....... and you should have told him that Sah has NEVER won a HAVEN competition yet, and was annihilated in the last round by Kane & by Rick in the Thunderdome ..............my last win was a year ago on Bethesda Thief Round ............and in almost 2 years of playing has only won 2 or 3 comps max.............my fast leveling dose not guarantee me a win. Edited by Sah, Feb 12 2017, 08:15 PM.
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| Serethil | Feb 12 2017, 08:21 PM Post #177 |
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Et'Ada
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Sorry to hear you'll be in hospital Sah - hope it won't be a major painful stay. |
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| Sah | Feb 12 2017, 08:27 PM Post #178 |
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come on Bram your much better than that like I said was asking to know how much cash you had ....I had to adapt my game to the oncoming onslaught ..... and it was no one else accused of cheating except this one (twice once by a misunderstanding between this one and Neil and personal PM to Areial) no one even suggested anyone else so sorry if you have taken things personally and please get back in the game Edited by Sah, Feb 12 2017, 08:35 PM.
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| Sah | Feb 12 2017, 08:35 PM Post #179 |
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its OK Neil ..............it was a simple misunderstanding so sorry again |
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| Sah | Feb 12 2017, 08:45 PM Post #180 |
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so Bram how about this.............this one will forfit her round and start again with the 2O hour buff, you and this one head to head? ..........it will only take this one 2 days to get ready? come on Bram ..........dont stop because of this one ............or you will make me pull out too Edited by Sah, Feb 12 2017, 08:46 PM.
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