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| Adella's Way; A survivalist trial for masochists...chuckles | |
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| Rick | Jul 13 2017, 08:54 AM Post #321 |
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Ok then, as promised, here is m'lady facing Alduin in Sovngarde. With that, she achieves the culmination of Destiny One. Compared to many other dragon fights this was a walk in the park....why? Because of course the three Heroes keep his attention, greatly reducing the harm done to Adella. Which kinda vindicates my assertion that followers make this game too easy.......but then, I'm just a glutton for punishment ;) I think, really he should consume the three Heroes souls as soon as you get outside Shors Hall, leaving you to face the big fella alone and chase each other in a glorious life or death battle all across Sovngarde. Also....considering how important this final battle is to all the beseiged souls.......why is Tsun just kicking back, having a Bud whilst chillin' and watching the big show.....I mean does he think it's funny or something? Next we are off to Winterhold to embark upon Destiny Two, in which The Contessa hopes to become Arch Mage of the College of Winterhold :) |
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| glargg | Jul 13 2017, 11:56 AM Post #322 |
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Tsun is the god of trials against adversity. It's his job to stand back and see if you meet your test. |
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| Rick | Jul 13 2017, 12:27 PM Post #323 |
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Well yeah, I get that he is personal Shield Thane to Shor...as he says, and perhaps such matters as the end of all lives upon Nirn are beneath his paygrade. But c'mon....defeating Alduin...the World Eater....has to be more important that standing there picking his teeth! If Dragonborn fails here it's not just a demerit against your soul.....it is the end of all life on Nirn and the consumption of those souls by Alduin. That means.....no one left to revere Shore! Or any of the gods......so it becomes the defacto end of the divines also, for what is a god with no one to see it as such? Maybe Tsun is kinda short on intellect......A "Hulk smash!" Kinda guy Hey come to that.......they should have had Jurgen, Ysgamor and Olaf out there too....its in everyones interest. Adella should have addressed the Hall and said plainly " Look! If no one here is gonna take this thing seriously then I'm going home" |
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| Rick | Jul 13 2017, 01:02 PM Post #324 |
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Ok then....with Destiny One now behind us....we forge ahead with the next one. Starting Destiny Two at the College of Winterhold. "First Lessons" :) |
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| Areial | Jul 13 2017, 01:27 PM Post #325 |
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Very nice...So are we going to finish all the "Mastery" quest's also or just the main quest line of CoW? |
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| glargg | Jul 13 2017, 01:53 PM Post #326 |
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I don't think so. This is a Dragonborn task. The Dragonborn has from the beginning been tied to Alduin. Arngeir suggests that, if you ask him. And he says this: "Have you considered that Alduin was not meant to be defeated? Those who overthrew him in ancient times only postponed the day of reckoning, they did not stop it. If the world is meant to end, so be it. Let it end and be reborn." That might not fit with Mortals' desires, but the gods might see it differently. :) |
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| Rick | Jul 13 2017, 03:17 PM Post #327 |
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Maybe so, and Paarthy hints at this too in his spiel at our first meeting. However, the end of all mortal kind is simply shrugged off by those of immortal status...like dragons.....as a triffling inconvenience at best! The life of every beating heart on Nirn is viewed rather differently by those who stand to lose it. It is easy for the immortal kind to have a nonchalant attitude to death....something they have no concept of. Even Paarthy admits that mortality is an idea which dragons cannot grasp. Ironic then....that Dragonborn goes all over the map introducing the reality of everlasting sleep to every dragon she (he) can find. But returning to the foregoing.....if this "test" was truely for Dragonborn to acquit then we should ask why Shor permitted the three hereos to also join battle. Or maybe we should be asking Bethesda huh! Since they are truely in the metaphysical THE "Gods" of Skyrim. We may never know..... |
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| neildarkstar | Jul 13 2017, 03:25 PM Post #328 |
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Beth put the three heroes there because they didn't believe any of their "subjects" could handle the task all by themselves, and of course players aren't allowed to seriously fail you know. But, as glargg points out, destiny and prophecy exist under different rules than the rest of us enjoy... thus a thing or event that has been prophesied for a few thousand years is not an event to get upset about if you are immortal... it is all things being as they must be according to someone else's plan. |
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| Rick | Jul 13 2017, 04:33 PM Post #329 |
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@neil Your para one. Are you saying you think Bethesda feared most players would fail to get through it without the three heroes joining in. Jeez they must have a pretty poor opinion of what we can do! I mean Alduin is no worse than that Ancient Dragon we dispatched.....even without healing. Admittedly we would be in trouble without a few resist fire potions, but hey, thats what they are for, right (I bet Sah does it with no potions at all ;) ) ................ Para two, Hmmm, I think Paarthy's view of prophecy is something like "it is what should be, but not what must be." Which is why...despite all Dragonborn's preparations....it is quite possible...in fact unless careful, quite likely, for Dragonborn to get chomped in Sovngarde. The prophecy describes the destiny.....but it hinges upon the events of the present. Change things enough and you get a new destiny and need a new matching prophecy. Kinda like the guy who goes to a fortune teller......she says "I see no life for you beyond your 70th year" So he gives up his two pack a day habit....reduces booze to a swift sherry at christmas and does plenty of gentle exercise. Not surprisingly he live into his 70's.....and returns to the fortune teller. "Your a fake" He says...."your telling didn't happen". She says, "Yes, because you moved the goal posts.......had you come back a few years ago I could have given you a revised reading" In other words the future is what we make it....destiny is a future map extrapolated from current markers....move enough of them and the destiny must reflect that. Like.....Adella's new destiny is to become Arch Mage at CoW.....but knowing that she could spend her Septims on a mining crew to wreck the base of the pillar upon which it stands.....no more CoW......how would her destiny look then! She'd still have one...but it would be different. Well that's how I foresee it (chuckle) Edited by Rick, Jul 13 2017, 04:41 PM.
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| Rick | Jul 13 2017, 04:38 PM Post #330 |
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Talking of CoW.....Adella has just finished Saarthal :) So next she is off to Fellglow Keep... |
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| glargg | Jul 13 2017, 11:46 PM Post #331 |
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I presume you've noticed that Shor's throne is empty. Where do you suppose he is, and why do you suppose that he has forbidden the Heroes in the Hall to fight Alduin? Who do you think the Dragonborn actually is? :) |
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| Sah | Jul 14 2017, 03:39 AM Post #332 |
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:pst: this Sunday |
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| Sah | Jul 14 2017, 04:04 AM Post #333 |
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AT THE MOVIES WITH SIBBI & ESBERN Sibbi and Esbern offer movie reviews and criticism, as well as other movie-related features. Each movie is given a "thumbs up" or "thumbs down" by each, indicating whether it is a good or bad movie. Long before the internet prompted millions of amateur critics to endlessly discuss movies, there was Sibbi (Black-Briar) and Esbern. They were the pioneers of movie criticism, two guys from Riften, sitting down in their "Black-Briar balcony seats" to discuss the latest movies openly and honestly. Once in a while they would take a break from their regular jobs like member of the Blades & spending useless time in prison, and have special shows such as "Kid Vid", great movies for kids, "Guilty Pleasures", movies they were ashamed to admit they liked and "Hail! Hail! Black and White", one night after getting really really drunk they are talking about the latest Sah Movie. Sibbi "So Esbern what is your final opinion of the latest release of Despicable Me 3?" Esbern "Skyrim could use some yellow minions, BUT no Alduin it gets the THUMBS DOWN from me" Sibbi "Look; we all have our flaws; mine is women, they can't get enough of me. I think we have a minion stale mate because I give it the BIG THUMB UP!!!!!!" Esbern "So whats next on the movie agenda?" Sibbi "Ah, finally, someone besides the stupid guards to talk to. Next we look at the latest movie starring that sexy honey bunny called Sah, Starring in the movie Blindsighted!" Esbern "I tried to tell them. They wouldn't listen. Fools. It's all come true... all I could do was watch our doom approach. That is all that comes to mind when you are watching a Sah movie" Sibbi "Have you come to gawk at me or is this a social call? Yes that sexy thing knows how to fight, and what about those combat moves? sexy sexy sexy is all I can say" Esbern "Haven't you figured it out yet? What more needs to happen before you all wake up and see what's going on?" Sibbi "Ok now that you mention it what is going on?, where did she come from? who is she? ......" Esbern "Ohhh legend has it that she went back in time and left her self as a baby in a cardboard box at the door step of the Ebony Warrior with a note saying TRAIN ME! .... that's how she learned predicted moves in combat & conversations" Sibbi "Uhmm Predicted what? .....predicted combat & conversations? ....how can you predict conversations?" Esbern "Yes you can predict conversations, that can predict moves in combat & conversations, so we dont need to have this conversation since I have predicted it, and we can move on to the next conversation, witch has the probability that it has been discussed in a previous conversation so we dont need to have that conversation either! Sibbi "Uhmmm OK.........zoom way over my head.............a BIG THUMBS UP from me and we will see you in our next Show ENJOY the movie!" The Story So Far. I'm on my way to Irkngthand, a vast dwarven ruin that supposedly contains the legendary "Eyes of the Falmer." Karliah and Brynjolf are waiting for me within. Together we hope to stop Mercer Frey from stealing the Eyes and escaping from Skyrim with the Skeleton Key of Nocturnal. - Starring Sah Vulon, Karliah, Brynjolf & Mercer Frey Difficulty Legendary Level 57 (from last play-through) Total run time: 39min all music mixed by DJ Sah Edited by Sah, Jul 14 2017, 04:05 AM.
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| Sah | Jul 14 2017, 04:15 AM Post #334 |
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PS ............ :pst: Adella this one is catching up with your videos tonight, saw the red sky and the frost dragon hunt ............ so cool :) loves ya lots and lots :wub: Alice aka Sah .......... giggles |
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| Rick | Jul 14 2017, 04:51 AM Post #335 |
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Trace, Well, the mastery quests are not possible for us.....you need a high skill in the chosen school.....which is not possible without using magic. Adella's Trial rules cover ALL destinies and forbids magicka use (with two notable 'given' exceptions). Even though she aims to become Arch Mage it can not be through magic use....but hey....not all garage owners are mechanics. @glargg, Ah....I see you are leading me toward the 'Shezzarine' presumption. That Dragonborns, Talos, and other TES special heroes (man/god Vivec is it) are incarnations of the same intangible deity. Facets of one being which exists almost as an idea more than anything real. But I am not widely read on the Shezzarine......I think you are implying that Dragonborn is an aspect of the actual Talos (agreed!) and also a version of Shor....I guess Miraak is too! But of course it is only their spirutual essence which shares the Shezzarine duality. However, without research, that skates to the edge of my remembered lore. If you are right on that, then the answer to your leading question is that Dragonborn (in spirit) forbids interfereance of the Sovngarde Heroes so as to save the rightful slaying of Alduin by Shor (incarnate as Dragonborn). Meaning also that Dragonborn in ALL his/her facets, sits upon the throne of Sovngarde. Tsun however, seems to not recognise that.....maybe it is too high falutin' spiritual even for him. Adella of course...granted all sight by the event of becoming the greater truth (her CHIM) sees it from outside and her choices take in only as much RP as she wishes....lucky her! ;) @Sah :wub: Hi honey, lookin' good there :drool: Loves ya millions :hugs: Oh....um' yeah, that wasn't a Frost dragon....it was an Ancient dragon which is why it was so powerfully dangerous. Did you see how the frost damage effect continued to take her health after the blast....just like fire does.... So glad I made her those two 'Vitality' apparels.....really meant to stave off the drain vitality shouts of Revered dragons, but the instant 168 extra health was a life saver....trouble is, to wear them necessitates removing other vitally enchanted gear....in this case rendering her instantly over loaded.....thankfully a strong carryweight potion helped there, and a strong resist frost potion prevented much further health loss (tho' I wouldn't want to put it to the test so near to death)......see why I love alchemy :) Edited by Rick, Jul 14 2017, 05:23 AM.
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| neildarkstar | Jul 14 2017, 05:27 AM Post #336 |
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The problem there Rick is that a destiny is what it is, just as a true prophesy is what it is. If the Countess were to pay a crew to bring down the entire college, then that would have been her true destiny all along. A prophesy or a destiny is like buying a book you've never read before, and once you get it home you crack it open to see the ending before you start reading. The hero can twist and turn, the villain can use treachery and sly plots, but in the end, the ending will remain just what it was when you first looked at it after getting the book home. There is no wiggle room. That's a disturbing thought because it leads us to believe that we don't control our own lives, but simple fact is that it was always known what choices we would make and what the results of those choices would be. In the instance of your fortune teller, that fortune teller was simply wrong... and not a true fortune teller at all. This is a bit long, and wordy, but it's a true story according to Ripley's. There was a man who was told by a gypsy that he would die on a particular day. I don't remember the actual date, but let's say that it was April 18th (long a day of ill omen in the US). So the man beleived in the gypsy, eh? He was a man of means, and had no intention of letting fate deal it's own hand, so as the day approached he hired an airplane. The plane was to follow a strict course along the international dateline, staying on the April 17th side unti it approached that junction where the 17th side would become the 18th, and the April 18th side would become the 19th. By keeping the plane flying exactly along the dateline in such a way that one side of the plane was in one day and the other side of the plane was in a different day, at precisely the right moment the man could simply step across the plane moving seamlessly from the 17th and directly to the 19th. Following that okay? So, as the moment to step across approached, the man was incredibly nervous, and wanting to double check everything to make sure that the navigation was correct. While double-checking the chart, he inadvertently stepped into the April 18th side of the plane, the plane immediately went into a spin and crashed on the April 18th side of the dateline. Our hero was the only fatality... Now that is actually how true fortune telling works out, eh? :) Funny, that post was supposed to have quote for Rick and Sah included... but I guess it just wasn't in the cards, eh? Anyway, that's good to know Sah. Will you be creating a thread? Edited by neildarkstar, Jul 14 2017, 05:31 AM.
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| Sah | Jul 14 2017, 09:11 AM Post #337 |
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yep :clap: it will be a simple DiD FO4 games, each player can make up there own rules as to what faction & difficulty, only you Die part you have to start again is the MAIN RULE |
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| neildarkstar | Jul 14 2017, 10:08 AM Post #338 |
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One leeetle question Sah... what if, after reading your original post about it, I already ended my main character, deleted the saves, and started my DiD playthrough? Do I have to start over? EDIT: Never mind... She got her dumb butt killed by a tree and a black Bloat Fly, so I'll just play around with her 'til Sunday and start over then. Edited by neildarkstar, Jul 14 2017, 04:15 PM.
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| glargg | Jul 14 2017, 05:05 PM Post #339 |
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Destiny is whatever it takes to get us to here. :) Yes, Rick, but just because my questions were leading it doesn't mean you're obligated to follow them. Every character I play has a totally different relationship to (or interpretation of) the lore, but that doesn't stop me from having an overall view of what it all means. I just feel that it's intentional, and significant to the story, that Shor's throne is empty, and that the Greybeards chant "Meyz nu Ysmir, Dovahsebrom. Dahmaan daar rok." ("You are Ysmir now, the Dragon of the North, hearken to it.") Michael Kirkbride listed Ysmir as one of the avatars of Lorkhan (Shor). Edited by glargg, Jul 14 2017, 05:13 PM.
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| Rick | Jul 14 2017, 07:19 PM Post #340 |
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Obligated ..no! But a good question is worthy of deeper exploration and the Shezzarine thing linking up the mortal avatars of the divines at some spiritual level is documented somewhere. Of course there is another, much simpler, reason Shors seat is empty......Shor is a divine and his Hall hosts the still human souls of the fallen. Thus Shor is still another spiritual realm higher than the celebrating spirits. He seat would therefore be more a symbolic icon of respect rather than a place he was expected to actually appear. I confess to not wading through pages of Wiki on this since we are currently deep into the CoW questline, but maybe when I get some time it might be worth a delve eh! |
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