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Adella's Way; A survivalist trial for masochists...chuckles
Topic Started: Mar 14 2017, 09:20 AM (6,912 Views)
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It's not that the death of a character doesn't phase me... the more I like a character, the harder it is, but I just deal with it and move on. Note that Nothing is still around, and now isn't even DWC let alone DiD. I like her a lot...

The problem with characters who last too long is that they tend to become OP, and thus boring. Also, they lose spontaneity from a RP perspective... Like, every situation, I know what they are going to do or say because we've said and done it all before. Nothing somehow manages to surprise me though. You wouldn't think that possible, but I assure you it is.

I was really amazed when Nothing decided to use her knife in Trinity Tower... I'd intended for her to draw a gun, but no... there was the knife in her hand, so I went with her on it and it was a lot of fun!
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Oct 3 2017, 11:31 AM
Snip....

I think that is one of the main area's where we all have issues. You put in "reloader" like it's a dirty word ( unless I am the only one who 'feels" that) Then you just put in "Throw's away".. I don't throw my characters away.. they are dead..
Tracy,
Your seem to have mis read or misunderstood what I wrote.

Where have I used ‘re-loader’, in a contemptuous dirty way?

and, I never said you “throw your characters away”

What I said was ‘without concern for their longevity’ which is true...you don’t have a meltdown, you simply start a new one. Sometimes your chars reach the end of their story...for you. So you leave them twiddling their thumbs and move on.

But I will be honest Trace.....I have absolutely no understanding of how you can do that. Its not you hon. It’s me. I have become different since since playing this damn game....it has altered my way of thinking, at least as far as Skyrim is concerned.

Builds reside on computers

But characters live in players....they only die if you LET them...or abandon them.

I see ALL characters that are played with any degree of personality as defacto living things.....living in your mind...being there. How CAN you invest emotionally in them....then let them just die or worse consign them to fading to death. I don’t get it.

Yes Ulda and Adella have made me see them as much more than temporary actors on the Skyrim stage....but I am not alone Trace. There are others like me.....a few at least

But I would not wish to cause offence just because I can not understand why you do what you do....you don’t do anything wrong hon.

But you are wrong about one thing......Adella can die, but I love her and it would be like tearing out a piece of my soul.

Unless I dump her for my new char...Gladys
Woa...j/k j/k ... not happening

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Neil.......Your chars get boring and have to go....Nothing is only alive still, because she continues to amuse you. She must be fikkin terrified, everyday you wake up and consider briefly if you are happy to continue her. Poor cow...its like being on death row... “is today my last ever day living in Fallout?” “What if today is the day Neil feels bored”.

See for me the longer she exists....the closer we get....like a dear personal friend....and she trusts me....she feels the love and knows she is safe with me.....well her personality...you know.

Tell you what..I might start a shelter for them all. The lost, unloved, left to die or dead and left for dead. Come to me Nothings of Bethesda, seek shelter and love.

Er’ well only two problems there....they can’t be transfered and Adella demands all of my lovecand attention as it is....even my wife has to compete with that.....and that causes some friction I can tell you...


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“Oh Adella honey, I was thinking, I’m getting a bit bored with you”

Hooboy hooboy hooboy.....here it comes...shite....gotta go
Edited by Rick, Oct 3 2017, 01:17 PM.
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Oct 3 2017, 11:18 AM
Rats..ha! Ya ninja’d me edit....
So added it below...hope I got just the new bit ;)

We can’t debate because your idea of a good DiD run differs from mine. You aim for higher thrills, but readily accept the likely consequences of that....it doesn’t phase you when a char dies....and if they last too long you kill them anyway.

I have always aimed to keep mine alive for the long haul (often failed) I love her...I do, as I Ioved her forebare Ulda. It is different for me.

But in anycase my friend not every discussion must become a debate....I know you love it, but there is not a need to persaude a change of opinion here or argue a case.

Sometimes talking things through just aids clarity and decision making hmmm. I am always grateful for peer opinion.
Perhaps I read into ...Doesn't phase when they die, as throws away... but I would have sworn I read those words... can't find it now.

And as I said... I might be reading into it with the "reloader"..

I had a melt down when my Mother died...when my Grams died...when Gramps died... when our ( Michael and I's) best friend died, I grieved... when close friends die I grieve, when people I have a passing friendship with die, I feel sorrow.

I do not have a melt down when a game character dies...and my DiD characters are not long term enough to feel more than sorrow at. None of my long term characters are lost...or gone, unless they died.

Jordan, Turista and some of the other characters I have written about are sorrows, because they are dead... They are not personas, on their own and they died one to many times in the telling of their story... I can not see a charactert die and keep dying and keep reloading them... I loose who they are.

Dead IS Dead...

Ahhh you said it, Adella only dies if YOU loose her.

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Oct 3 2017, 02:20 PM

Ahhh you said it, Adella only dies if YOU loose her.

Yes, that’s right, if I lose her inside, which won’t happen unless I get a bang on the noggin or die.

Then again....I wasn’t prepared for what happened out of the blue with Ulda huh!

Could that weird change happen with Adella?....I would hazard a guess that only moving her to something like TES VI would be the catalyst...but I sure hope not, cos I like her just as she is.

A thought occurs. I don’t regard her likeness on screen AS being her literally, as you know. Yet, there IS a degree of tie in...a connection....because me seeing her on screen stimulates the recognition within me and she responds to it. I always say when she sees her likeness die it stings....best way to explain it. Yeah....don’t worry I have done enough introspective analysis for this week.

I have done NO Skyrim today...and NO related video....spent all day on forum and thinking about it all. So now....I need to get motivated again.
Edited by Rick, Oct 3 2017, 05:58 PM.
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Neil.......Your chars get boring and have to go....Nothing is only alive still, because she continues to amuse you. She must be fikkin terrified, everyday you wake up and consider briefly if you are happy to continue her. Poor cow...its like being on death row... “is today my last ever day living in Fallout?” “What if today is the day Neil feels bored”.


All things pass in their own time Rick. Are you frikkin' terrified everyday you wake up and wonder if this is the last day of your life? Life and death are both unpredictable, and what if this is the day you get hit by a crosstown bus or your wife stabs you with a curling iron?

We all live on death row every day of our lives. We don't dwell on that, we tend rather to enjoy whatever time we've got. At least Nothing knows her life continues or not based on her own abilities, where you and I have to depend on the whim of chance... or the Gods, depending on your point of view.

We are what we are, Rick... computer generated or flesh and blood, we live our allotted time then pass. if today is my last day, I wouldn't be unhappy to have lived, nor would I weep for the tomorrows that I would never see.

Heh, the trick Rick, is to live the life we have and be content in the moment.
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Yep Sis - I read it too, and it came across to me the same way. It's easy enough to edit without showing an edit.

Now, I do enjoy life in the moment. I don't have a "moment only" attitude though personally.
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Well, being content in the moment is not at all "living in the moment". They are two separate concepts.

I've been thinking and considering Rick's conceptualization of how I deal with my characters, vs my own perception of my characters, and I arrived at a conclusion... NONE of my characters have ever actually died.

Each time a character "dies" he or she is reborn in the new character I create. That is simply because it cannot be otherwise. I am every RPG character I've ever created, and they are all me. I give them different backstories, gender, skills, abilities and perhaps above all motivations, but in the end they are all me. They are just me playing a part and reacting as I believe I would if I had that same set of abilities and motivations.

Do they have a temporary life of their own? Are they separate from the everyday me? Yes, I like to think so... but if or when they die, it is only to be reborn with a new backstory, skills, and motivations unique to their new incarnation... but still, they are me, and I am them. Hmmm, that doesn't sound right. I are they? I are them? Perhpas it would work better in the singular... She is me, and I am her... She is me and I am she? How does that work with non-gender specific pronouns these days?

Hey, Serethil! I think I need a little help here! :'(

Moving on... Could any one of them actually be reborn as themselves? Possibly... though that I think would depend on my memory, which we all know is quite perfect. Eh, what were we talking about again?

Except Nothing of course. We all know that Nothing lasts forever... right? ;)
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Do not insult people.


Edited by Kane, Oct 4 2017, 08:25 AM.
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HUGS

Hmmm weirdnesses. Seems quick reply doesn't like url links today.

Ah well! Have some of these then:

:hugs: :hugs: :hugs: :hugs: :hugs: :hugs: :hugs: :hugs:
Edited by Brambleberry, Oct 4 2017, 07:46 AM.
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Cleanup on aisle five! :cav:
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With an excavator? Usually a mop and bucket will do. ;)
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True, but the excavator would be a lot more fun. :P
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Anything with a back-up alarm on it is always more fun. Which reminds me; I have to fix the back-up horn on my truck, which has quit working. I wonder if I could find an old-fashioned klaxon... :)

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I've always wanted to install a fog horn in my vehicle. That would certainly get someones attention!
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You'd think so Kane, but given how folks round here (tourists too, not just locals) manage to completely ignore the "bell" and "foghorn" horns fitted on our trams....I wouldn't count on it
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Is Rick displeased with us? I see a post has been altered but didn't see what it was before altering....been watching and waiting but the updates on YouTube aren't being posted through in here
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Not sure where he's gone to, but I think he's taking a self imposed break. Some things happened, and they were handled. Nothing to worry about!

We're carrying on as normal everywhere else, though!
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This has gone waaaaay off topic, so i'll bring it back in line with a new video and some more tests...

Now, the debate is not if we should limit, but how much should we nerf our characters and what's the starting point. You know, different players reach the overpowered phase at different levels.

My idea was not to make it a mandatory rule, but more like a recommendation:

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Some of the participants have noticed that after level 40 or so, our toons become overpowered to the point there's little challenge left, so we recommend to use some limitations in order to keep the game entertaining.

Tests revealed a few methods to accomplish this:
1. Limiting the Armsman, Barbarian and Overdraw perks to rank 1/5. This will bring your weapon output to ~ 70%. You may need to use a mod to reset those perks.
2. Limiting the Fortify One-handed/Two-handed/Archery enchantment to one item. This will bring your weapon output to ~ 50% of your maximum capability.
3. Removing ALL Fortify One-handed/Two-handed/Archery enchantment. This will bring your weapon output to ~ 30%. Tests revealed to be a bit drastic, so if you decide to take this route, proceed with caution.
4. Using only generic Fortify One-handed/Two-handed/Archery enchantments. The maximum you can find/buy are 3 Peerless Wielding/Sure Grip/Archery items. This will bring you weapon output to ~ 70%, but will prevent secondary enchantments on these items.
5. ...

Now, let's get to the actual tests.

Last time i tested my greatsword against some draugrs deathlords and underlings.
Next target was Arkngthamz where i almost got killed by a group of falmer. You can see how deadly their poison is even with decent Magic Resistance and Snakeblood perk.
I have to admit, Rick was right, this kind of nerf is a bit too drastic, so i got home made a few tests.

The maximum damage on my dragonbone sword is 705, so all the above precentage are based on this.
With all 4 custom made Fortify Two-handed and only 1/5 Barbarian rank, my weapon output was 423. A bit too high for my taste.
Next, i left only one custom item with Fortify Two-handed and bumped up the Barbarian perks back to 5/5. My weapon output was 344. This looked like a good balance, so i kept that and continue on my quest.

Field tests at Raldbthar showed that i can handle higher level falmer, but still keep the game challenging, so i'll stick to this setup for now.

I've reached the Aetherium Forge and the waves of dwarven constructs didn't pose a threat. Even the Forgemaster felt like a regular Dwarven Centurion.
I expected to be a lot tougher, the reason i was hesitating...
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Thank you AD
Adella was wondering where you had gone from her main thread.
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Hi, Rick! Good to see you.

How's the Contessa doing?
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