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Nekkid Nord ... Round VII; Poll
Topic Started: Apr 10 2017, 01:02 PM (3,377 Views)
neildarkstar
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I think we should flip today... That gives an even two weeks (unless I'm mistaken) for trial runs.
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I'd ask for objections.. but.. not many people around!

I'll second a flip today...

We get a third.. and if Sere could flip a coin.. we'd be good and know where we stand.. and yeah, Friday.. so it would be two weeks..
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Lets flip and get it decided :)

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Flipping coin:

TAILS!
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Areial
Apr 12 2017, 11:43 PM
glargg
Apr 12 2017, 11:36 PM
:pst: You could always post a new question on it, worded slightly differently. Like, gently urging us to vote the right way. ;)
Whaaat? like.. Vote for no crafting or I'll sic the Raven on you? :hubba: Yes...No..NO!

Or I could just ask Sere to flip a coin..head's for No crafting.. Tails for No Crafting..




So tails it is... we have crafting :-/

Pickpocket
Destruction
Block
Two Handed
Smithing
Alchemy


Thank you Sere!


Those are the skills that you have to work with... remember use of any other skill results in penalty points... 2 point leeway for everything except speech which has a 5 point leeway. Their are NO freebies this round.

Found Item's only.. no buying ...no selling...No armor rating.. No Enchanted robes.. On Expert.. Most dungeons cleared.. ( DO make sure you keep track, as some dungeons don't "clear"..even though they are.)

Have fun in the practice... I'm glad I used both 1h and 2h with Mel... I know it CAN be done! She has 4 dungeons cleared.. is lvl 4 6.07 hrs She Cleared... Moss Mother Cavern, Rannveig's Fast, Shriekwind Bastion and Bannermist Tower.
Edited by Areial, Apr 14 2017, 08:46 PM.
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Eh, that's what happens when you have someone totally disinterested do the coin flip.... And it WAS totally disinterested - I asked husband to dig out a coin and flip it, and tell me heads or tails. Didn't even tell him why.
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Sere that's perfectly fine.. and exactly why I wanted you to do it.. no agenda...


I would have been honest.. cause that's the way I am.. but IF it went "my way".. someone might have said something.. and well I'd rather not go there.
Edited by Areial, Apr 14 2017, 08:50 PM.
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Yeah.... I'm totally impartial. I don't play, so I have no "agenda".
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excatly
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Okay, I have another question (yes I know I'm a pain :P ) As far as mods are concerned, are mods allowed like "sit anywhere" Apachii Hair, meaning simple immersion mods that don't alter any stats, combat, or coin profits - or is it weather and flora mods only as the poll would suggest?

Anyway, other than that I have it as:
Skills:
Pickpocket
Destruction
Block
Two-Handed
Smithing
Alchemy

Armor:
Shields only

Weapons:
Iron only

Followers:
No followers
(That includes animals like dogs, yes?)

Training:
Reward training only, no paid training
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neildarkstar
Apr 14 2017, 09:30 PM
Okay, I have another question (yes I know I'm a pain :P ) As far as mods are concerned, are mods allowed like "sit anywhere" Apachii Hair, meaning simple immersion mods that don't alter any stats, combat, or coin profits - or is it weather and flora mods only as the poll would suggest?

Anyway, other than that I have it as:
Skills:
Pickpocket
Destruction
Block
Two-Handed
Smithing
Alchemy

Armor:
Shields only yes

Weapons:
Iron only found Items.. find an Ebony weapon, use it we didn't specify iron this time

Followers:
No followers
(That includes animals like dogs, yes?) yes

Training:
Reward training only, no paid training yes

Pretty much with the mods.. nothing that changes stat's.. sooo nothing like D,D., but Apachii falls under "body".."Sit Anywhere"..effect's nothing.... Wearable Lantern's, would be a No-no.. Even though Weather mods make it darker, you can do that on a 360.. I did..
But adding Wearable Lanterns would be a no-no also...

That's my opinion.. and if anyone else has other ideas... now's the time to speak up!
Edited by Areial, Apr 14 2017, 09:53 PM.
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Y'know..... I think y'all ought to set up a "mod" that works for the competitions.
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Toggle on.. or off those thing's that we vote on? That would be out of my scope atm.. I'm working on getting my characters...as followers. But I want them "stand alone".. like QueenieAngels.. where they don't rely on someone having a specific mod in their load order.
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A few observations:

Shields allowed? You're aware that they provide an armor rating, right? And since Smithing seems to be in, you can get a pretty high armor rating out of one by improving it enough.

Of course, a shield is not going to be very useful with a 2-handed weapon. :)

And Pickpocket is completely useless; it doesn't work without Sneak.

There are no guaranteed locations for a ranged Destruction spell, so good luck acquiring a ranged attack. And you can't recharge staffs, if you find one, because no Enchanting.

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I always sneak when I try to pick pockets, so I wasn't aware you COULDN'T pick pockets without sneak... sneaking just seems logical when picking a pocket, but in RL most pickpockets don't sneak. They bump into you, or jostle you in such a way you don't notice your wallet being lifted, eh? :)

Anyway, it doesn't matter if pickpocket can be done or not. Bear with me for a sec here. I just got done playing in SSE by competition rules for an hour or two. I cannot remember when I've ever had less fun playing Skyrim. I suppose I can't remember, because I've ALWAYS had fun playing in the past, but not this time.

...and Why not, you ask? ...and what has that to do with pickpocket being useless? Well... the reason I wasn't particularly enjoying myself was:
A) the banidts, and wolves fell like summer rain without much contest.
B) after I killed the poor slob I realized that there had been no point in killing him in the first place. You see, they have nothing I can use at all.

C) When I opened the treasure room, it was a total disappointment, and I got the idea right then that all such treasure rooms will be a disappointment. There's damned little other than tomatoes and cabbage in the whole place that I can use.

Bandit weapons are worse than mine, and I can't sell them 'cuz no speech.

Bandit armor is unusable to me, and I can't sell it, again 'cuz no speech.

They have a little bit of gold, but why bother taking it, I can't spend it to buy anything 'cuz... no speech.
So, I killed everyone in Embershard with a bare minimum of effort, and took only torches and some food.

Picking pockets? What for? You ain't going to get anything you can use or sell anyway. I guess I'm uncertain about the status of wearing jewelry, enchanted or otherwise, but a ring of some sort is the best you can hope for when picking their pocket... and you can't sell it, and may not be able to use it in the first place.

So, at this point the game boils down to prospecting so you can make weapons you'll probably never use and can't sell, and going into dungeons to kill things because you like killing things. You'll probably never be able to buy a house.

On the bright side, you'll never be overencumbered, because there's no reason to take anything at all.

Okay, end of rant.

I would like to point out that I think not allowing for speech is a huge mistake. Dunno 'bout lockpicking, but no speech is definitely a bummer.
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Well, I disagree with you on the speech, because the whole idea here is to clear dungeons, not to get loot. Which means it's all about killing those poor slobs. :)

I think it will get more interesting when there's a real "boss" in the dungeon.

I would also like a ruling on enchanted jewelry, though. Are we allowed to use found rings, amulets, and circlets?

Also, can we use staffs?
Edited by glargg, Apr 15 2017, 01:44 AM.
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Hmmm... I thought the whole idea was to have fun... ;)

EDIT:
A few more hours in it now... I've cleared Embershard Mine, Valtheim Towers, Silent Moons Camp, and halted Stream Camp. The sameness of them all is hard for me to deal with. Boss fights didn't make much difference.

I decided maybe if I joined the Companions it would mix things up a bit... and the first job Farkas gave me was Shimmermist Cave with me still at level 3. I put it off til I was level 6, and went in. It was more exciting because I couldn't sneak, but the Falmer really all that tough. the Chaurus on the other hand ran me out of the cave.

I'm thinking I'll try a different character, and maybe look for some kind of acceptable mod that will change things up enough to make the game interesting. (suggestions are welcome for SSE :) )

Oh, glargg, I wanted to mention to you that having a shield is not at all useless in this competition because you also have Destruction which works well as a one-hand weapon and paired with something like "Spellbeaker" is really quite effective for a ranged attack against mages, dragons, and archers. Even against Spriggans to some extent.
Edited by neildarkstar, Apr 15 2017, 05:30 AM.
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Jewelry as long as it's found.. is fine....enchanted or not. Staff's are allowed, just not recharging them... or making them.

Gentleman.. and that is why I was trying to get it to go NO Crafting.. I just don't think those people that voted for crafting really thought it through.

Problem with crafting.. and I probably won't over much.. is that it raises lvl's.. and with out armor.. blah...

Neil.. I did the No crafting run and it pretty fun.. Pick-pocket being a choice.. sucks...but I had no intention of using it anyway.. it IS pretty useless, without sneak.

Now I did do the shield and spell.. and it work's pretty well, with a sword back up.

Glargg, I know that shields can provide a decent armor rating...but they were voted in.. and could be a real help with spells.. can be useful.

It won't be as much fun as it would with the No crafting list.. but.. people vote.
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The only thing about the shield is that if people keep bashing on it, it'll raise your heavy or light armor skill... When I envision using the shield is as I mentioned, if you have spell breaker or a shield that gives some immunity, using against magical attacks at range and blocking with the weapon when close in.
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True...and something people will have to be aware of.
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