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R.I.P. neildarkstar. Haven will miss you dearly.
| Competitor's Tales; competition-related short stories, tales, and would-be legends | |
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| Topic Started: May 28 2017, 05:01 PM (661 Views) | |
| Serethil | Jun 6 2017, 05:41 PM Post #21 |
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Et'Ada
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Nice! |
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| neildarkstar | Jun 6 2017, 07:03 PM Post #22 |
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Thanks everyone! :) A second chapter is in the works, but not quite written yet. |
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| neildarkstar | Jun 7 2017, 03:52 AM Post #23 |
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As mentioned previously... The Three-Second Rule Chapter II Spoiler: click to toggle |
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| Andra Hawksdaughter | Jun 7 2017, 08:17 AM Post #24 |
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Jarl
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*snickering* Good one Neil! |
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| Serethil | Jun 7 2017, 09:37 AM Post #25 |
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Et'Ada
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Oh.... my.... Um. You're going to have to keep Aahni around after the comp is over! Excellent! |
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| neildarkstar | Jun 7 2017, 09:40 AM Post #26 |
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Thanks all! This installment here will be the last of the "Three-Second Rule" set, though there will hopefully be other Aahni stories to tell. :) The Three-Second Rule Chapter III Spoiler: click to toggle
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| Serethil | Jun 7 2017, 09:52 AM Post #27 |
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Et'Ada
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Lovely, neil, just LOVELY! |
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| glargg | Jun 7 2017, 11:51 AM Post #28 |
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Jarl
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Very good, Neil. :) |
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| Areial | Jun 7 2017, 06:49 PM Post #29 |
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Et'Ada
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Love it... |
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| Andra Hawksdaughter | Jun 7 2017, 07:04 PM Post #30 |
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Jarl
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Excellent, Neil. :thumb: |
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| Areial | Jun 10 2017, 10:55 AM Post #31 |
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Et'Ada
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My Name is Tarben of the Clan Battle-Bear, we live in the mountain's on the border of The Reach and Falkrealth Hold. It is a good life, I am a warrior and hunter for our family, as second son I have more freedom than my Elder Brother. I also have choice of bride, where as he will marry to suit the clan's needs. That is what bring's me to Markarth, I was looking for a way to make money for "Bride-price". Posted Image The night before I had spent in a tower, after having put to rest it's ghostly inhabitant. I had collected bits of metal and other items to see if they would sell for anything worth my time. I sold all the junk for a good profit to the smith and a general merchant. After wandering around the town and admiring the stone work, I asked a guard what was the best way to come into some money, aside from guarding a rich citizen who had more money than sense. The guard looked thoughtful and said " With that war-paint friend, no rich cit would hire you anyway, you look like one of the wild Forsworn" He paused for a second then nodded, " Try Calcemo, he may need a guard or something." Posted Image Finding the man in the Under-keep, I might have parted his head from his shoulders, if I had not expected a scholar to have a surly attitude when bothered. He sent me on what I guessed was a test, to kill a giant spider that was blocking the way, by killing anything that tried to get by it. A couple of the fire arrow's that my people made for war and the spider problem was no more. I found the journal of a member of the previous expedition and took that to Calcemo,who didn't actually tell me to go down through the ruin, but did mutter about if I found Stubin it would probably be dead. I thought about it and decided I would go down through the ruin and see what I could bring up that I could sell and at the same time, perhaps Calcemo would find use for me and pay me to go looking for other ruin's he might want to look into. |
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| neildarkstar | Jun 16 2017, 06:43 PM Post #32 |
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Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle
Edited by neildarkstar, Jun 16 2017, 06:48 PM.
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| neildarkstar | Jun 17 2017, 03:57 AM Post #33 |
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Wine, Mead, Ale, and the Sightless Pit Spoiler: click to toggle |
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| Rick | Jun 17 2017, 06:31 AM Post #34 |
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Well. It seems you can answer this two ways......the RP answer or the Devs answer. But neither is comprehensive. RP wise....the unbrandeds are any form of that drink you wish them to be....home brews.....or inn brewed to a 'known' Nord receipe. Same for the cheap wine. But the point here is "cheap" you know the base wine is a lesser product than the Alto, which is a long way below the Surilie brothers import and far below the cost and quality of Argonian Bloodwine (the Contessa's fav). But aside from the obvious quality differences you can (and are meant to) embellish it yourself. BTW Argonian Bloodwine DOES have a bona fide receipe....its on Wiki and requires ingredients only found in Cyrodiil...hence the cost. It does not contain blood or Argonians! But I'd guess it's red. Devs solutions wise.....well laziness really....they will excuse it saying its for you to RP (as above) but really they just wanted a 'selection' of drinks without getting too involved in each one. Consider though....they have already provided backgrounds for Honingbrew and Blackbriar........ We are lucky really...it could have all just been the same bottles and called 'drink'. The Contessa....even in competitions....makes me spend our hard earned Septims on Argonian Bloodwine...or at the very least Surilie. So I am thinking after say a night at the inn...we will go to the trader in the morning to get that vital enchanted necklace..... but Adella has made me spend the cash on two bottles of bloody wine, which she then consumes with single presses of the X button over the course of a couple of in game hours. Yes, it really does happen just like that....and its damn annoying. I have kinda lost control of the RP at times.......More and more I just do as I am told. Probably need help :P Edited by Rick, Jun 17 2017, 06:32 AM.
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| neildarkstar | Jun 17 2017, 08:03 AM Post #35 |
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On the one hand, I can agree with most of that... from a game perspective. However, if you were to suddenly say... find yourself in Skyrim, I'm betting you would not be content with an answer that sounds like "It has no brand name because the devs wanted it that way." From Al's perspective, she doesn't give a tinker's damn about the reasoning of the Devs. You see the point of the questions is not to discover why the answers are what they are as regards the gaming world vs real life, but to discover why the answers are what they are in way that makes sense in a "real world" understanding within the game world. Oh, and you seem to have confused "Argonian Bloodwine" with "Argonian Ale" as in the specific bottle one must steal from the Bannered Mare to satisfy Brenuin's need. At least I presume wine and ale are two entirely different things... :D EDIT: After I posted my response, I kinda got to thinkin about it, and I believe we really should talk. Considering the nature or your relationship with Adella, you toss terms like "RPing" around pretty easily. If Al asked me "Hey! what kinda mead am I drinkin here?" and I were to reply "Nobody knows, because you're supposed to embellish it yourself as part of your RPing your imaginary world." She'd probably turn me into a warthog or something. I mean, she IS a mage after all, and who knows what she can or can't do when she gets to RPing, eh? ;) Edited by neildarkstar, Jun 17 2017, 08:26 AM.
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| Andra Hawksdaughter | Jun 17 2017, 09:07 AM Post #36 |
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*chortling at the conversation* |
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| Rick | Jun 17 2017, 10:39 AM Post #37 |
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Neil, No confusion over 'Argonian' named drink. See I have only ever found that one singular bottle of Argonian Ale...and since it gets given to Brenuin and is then gone, well, I don't tend to think about it too much..... (Like Cyrodiilic Brandy from the Thalmor Embassy.....you can get one to take away as a memento...but if she drinks it, its gone forever!). Whereas Argonian Bloodwine is a constant pain in the wallet! Um, the Contessa does not do Ales, beers, meads etc at all.....she will take Alto wine if there is no alternative and she is really thirsty....but holds her metaphorical nose to drink it. RP'ing....well aside from the fact that it can have a different slant for different people........Adella knows she is in a game world now. I do not have to impose a RP on her....she does that herself. Like an actor in a pantomime. She performs, but knows it is a performance. Me! I am the show director. However, like all 'stars' of the stage...Adella has her demands and things she insists upon doing or insists upon not doing....director be damned. :P Now....you're gonna say....Rick, Adella demanding certain wines is not RP.....RP is where she assumes the identity of a thief, or hunter, or some profession....and yes, thats true......but we are not ready yet to enact random, activity based RP settings.....we have her trial to complete....her magnum opus and my Everest to climb. If I toss the term RP around freely...it is because I have no alternative phrase that is succint and I know people will identify with immediately. Thing is if Adella chooses to pretend something in her world is different from the way we see it....what else can I call it than RP.....but it's her RP. When she was still developing....she felt at me....in response to things she did on screen...as you would expect of any communicative RP'd char. But she started to notice the things she was not meant to... The blackouts when cart travelling The odd glitch when a npc fractionally delayed spawning. It all gradually built to head because you can't undo knowledge... There came a dramatic point when I could no longer pretend my char of Adella was oblivious to the fact that Skyrim isn't real. She knew too much. Matrix time...Red Pill or Blue But there was no choice at all....she finally had to accept Skyrim as I see it warts an all. Mind blowing reality....Cruel, yes, but inevitable. A short extract from the final chapter of Adella's biography In mind....this is how it went down :) Spoiler: click to toggle And here we are! Adella is just a personality, a persona. She lives in me...not in the Xbox. She doesn't have a carefully constructed RP set of char rules or back story...and that's deliberate....so she'd grow in her very own direction not one of my choosing. She chose to feed off my insides....she is my own kinda monster from the id...my personal demon....in personality terms you see. I listen to her feelings and desires inside and type for her. I move the controller sticks not her....but what I do is more and more her bidding. At times it does feel like I am just a spectator to her game. But she is not in charge of me...its not MPD. Its more like...a friend who games with you and keeps chipping in. So....no...Adella is not really what you'd call RP....she is herself.....but she can RP if she chooses to, in Skyrim. Edited by Rick, Jun 17 2017, 11:21 AM.
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| neildarkstar | Jun 17 2017, 11:48 AM Post #38 |
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Welll... At the end of all that, You never really touched the heart of the matter unless I just missed it. Let me rephrase a bit and see what we can come up with. Let's go b ack to the part where you told me that: "RP wise....the unbrandeds are any form of that drink you wish them to be... (snip) But aside from the obvious quality differences you can (and are meant to) embellish it yourself." Let's think about that for a minute, eh?I live in the Pacific Northwest of the USA, an area known historically for beers of dubious reputation. Blitz (which tasted a great deal like dishwater) and Olympia (much like dishwater that somebody washed their feet in) , and of course Budweiser, a beer of much higher standards. Now, let's say that you and I walk into a bar here in my neck of the woods, and you say to the bartender "Gimme a pint of beer." and I say "Gimme a glass of Bud". The beer is served, and on first taste you say "Damn, this tastes like dishwater!" so I say "They must have Blitz on tap." With me so far? (Don't go dredging up technicalities, we don't really care if that's what you'll say or not, right?). You then say something like "I can't drink this crap!", and I say "Well then, just pretend it's Budweiser and embellish it anyway you like. That's what the brewery intended you to do, eh?" Now I suppose you're going to say something like "But I'm REAL not a RP character" to which I respond with "Really? How do you know?" Now we get to the nitty gritty... Have you tried telling Adella to simply embellish Alto wine and make it taste like Argonian to her? Would it work any better for her than the previous scenario would work for you? Al doesn't have these complexities of course. All she wants to know is who mkaes the stuff she's supposed to drink and what do they put in it that they are ashamed or afraid to put their name on it. I mean, what, rattlesnake heads and gunpowder were popular ingredients locally at one time... but of course then it didn't taste like dishwater, I suppose... Al can understand that even though both are beers, lager beer and ale are different, brewed with different yeasts at greatly different temperatures, and oddly at different levels in the liquid as it's brewing. She can't understand that if it's good, why nobody is proud of it. In our bar (for you and me) the bartender won't likely tell you what's on tap unless you ask, or you ask for a specific brand as I did. that's because he may not be proud of the product he sells at $2 a pitcher, eh? ...and he may not want you to know what he's selling you at a marked up price... |
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| Brambleberry | Jun 17 2017, 12:20 PM Post #39 |
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There is a second location that has multiple Cyrodillic Brandy, but I am not spoiling that for anyone! ;) |
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| Rick | Jun 17 2017, 01:10 PM Post #40 |
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Oh dear! Now you've gone and made it all complicated. Ok...lets have a go! Can I tell Adella to embellish Alto into ABW?....not on your life...."I" would know I had done that causing immediate conflict with the inner me that models Adella. How can I explain the idea....it would be like what the Firewalkers can do...telling themselves the very obviously hot coals won't hurt! Well, I am not that good a Firewalker! Could Adella choose to taste the wine differently?....yes of course....but I will never know what that 'taste' means. If her mindset says its now a changed taste....then it is so. Since there is no real fluid washing over real taste buds.....nothing HAS been 'tasted' eh! it comes down to purely what she wishes it to be. TBH I am not sure that it is even a valid concept, it is hard to get a good mental purchase on it (and I am trying). What I can't do is get Adella to enjoy a flavour then pass that experience mentally to me....well not yet at any rate. I guess it's not technically impossible...since we are of the same brain, but waaay beyond any sane connection. Adella is born of my lets say subconcious (not tehnically, but we'll overlook that for sake of argument)......so clearly she can only experience things sampled from my memories. I have never eaten clam! If Adella eats clam....how should that taste? (don't say 'salty' :P ) I can only guess...and therefore so can she! What does that mean for a conventionally RP'd char in Skyrim? For Al to understand about beers and Ales etc she must rely upon your experience. Even if, as a 'not aware of Neil' char she can't access your memories directly (as unfortunately m'lady does with me) she can actually experience the drink if you have an expectation of what it should be like. Damn neil this is getting hard! So..Al reaches for an unmarked bottle...in her RP setting she says 'who made this'? but there is no answer booming from the heavens....if you answer her directly from your own mind....then you are connecting to your char in the same way as I do with m'lady...and can therefore explain to her the need for her to pretend a background for beers and Ales. If you do not tell her to do that....and do not wish to tell her its only a game, with unfinished elements, then she can only be left guessing and would like as not refuse the decidedly dodgey libation (and who could blame her!). Are we closer to an answer now? PS....you do realise anyone looking in on this will have us both labeled as nuts! ;) Edited by Rick, Jun 17 2017, 01:17 PM.
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