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R.I.P. neildarkstar. Haven will miss you dearly.
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| Topic Started: Apr 5 2018, 10:43 PM (253 Views) | |
| neildarkstar | Apr 6 2018, 02:19 PM Post #21 |
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The only Oblivion char I had who ended up decent-looking was a female orc... I don't remember what mods I had, but a couple of them were kinda off-beat and not well known. |
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| Serethil | Apr 6 2018, 07:57 PM Post #22 |
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Et'Ada
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This is sucky. I got through KotN, and got the level up message (from level 2 to level 3). Rested, chose attributes to increase, hit Exit.... and crashed. I tried every fix I found online. Nothing. Going from level 1 to level 2 worked fine.... *sigh* So I'm reinstalling from scratch.... /grumble. Edited by Serethil, Apr 6 2018, 07:58 PM.
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| Serethil | Apr 6 2018, 08:41 PM Post #23 |
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Et'Ada
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And.... I'm kind of wondering if maybe I should read a good "install tutorial" for Ob.... |
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| Kane | Apr 6 2018, 09:17 PM Post #24 |
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Overlord
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Not sure if you are using a mod manager, but most recommend OBMM. |
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| Serethil | Apr 6 2018, 09:50 PM Post #25 |
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Et'Ada
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Yep, using OBMM, and also WB - not to mention LOOT. |
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| Serethil | Apr 7 2018, 05:58 PM Post #26 |
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Et'Ada
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*SIGH*. A day and a half later.... After trying various reinstalls etc. none of which was any better.... I finally said screw it, copied my clean install back one more time, and added the DLCs one at a time, then the unofficial patches ditto, then every mod in the load order one at a time - until the OCO compatibility patches (with the DLCs) caused the no can level up. Now why it let me level the original character once (from 1 to 2) and then quit at 3 I don't know - because consoling "advlevel" once (to go from 1 to 2) produced the identical CTD with the identical message. So I sure hope OCO can live without the compat patches (except for HGEC of course which seems to be fine) because I'm not putting them back in. So now I get to start the whole game all over again. /GRUMBLE |
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| Turija | Apr 7 2018, 07:07 PM Post #27 |
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Thane
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Me too. :P |
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| Serethil | Apr 7 2018, 07:18 PM Post #28 |
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Et'Ada
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I almost didn't play Ob at all even after buying it for whatever it cost - because the heads were so AWFUL. They still are - unless you use one of the overhauls. |
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| Andra Hawksdaughter | Apr 7 2018, 07:45 PM Post #29 |
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Jarl
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When you get it all working, post some pics Sis? |
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| Serethil | Apr 7 2018, 07:48 PM Post #30 |
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Et'Ada
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I will! I did remake Nirai Thelvasi this evening after dinner but haven't done more than that, and will get some shots in daylight tomorrow. I really wanted a Nord.... but the only viable race even WITH OCOv2 is Dunmer - and even they aren't great. *sigh* |
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| glargg | Apr 7 2018, 11:17 PM Post #31 |
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Jarl
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Count me as another one who doesn't have the "potato head" problem. The character models and faces in Morrowind are better than what's in Arena and Daggerfall, and the models and faces in Oblivion are better than Morrowind. The face-modeling system in vanilla Oblivion is better than what's in Fallout 3 and FONV, in my opinion. It's possible to get a wider variety of faces in Oblvion than in any of the other games, which may be the problem some people have with it. It's easy to go overboard and make a "bad" face. As for the Oblivion NPCs, I think they are mostly individually recognizable, and that's all you can really ask from a 2006 RPG. I don't like the changes that are made by the "better character" mods; they seem to be an attempt to "beautify" everyone, and I don't understand why NPCs need to be beautified. They're supposed to be people, not idealized mannequins. |
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| neildarkstar | Apr 8 2018, 04:49 AM Post #32 |
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Frankly, the heads in Oblivion are simply repulsive IMO. Sure, with mods they can be fixed up some but really, they aren't going to win any beauty contests. I've heard the whole shtick about comparing Oblivion heads to Morrowind or Arena or whatever, but frankly Scarlett, I just don't give a damn. A fair portion of what makes a game enjoyable is pure aesthetics, so... If one finds one's character repulsive, one is just not as likely to enjoy the game as much. It's as simple as that. It rather hurt my feelings to leave Morrowind for Oblivion, but it didn't hurt my feelings at all to leave Oblivion for Skyrim. Now that I think of it, Oblivion should have been a Fallout title. The main character and all the NPCs have obviously been mutated by some sort of radiation exposure, right? Also, I didn't really object so much to the heads in Morrowind, and some of them I found downright attractive... especially when compare to Ob heads, eh? ;) |
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| mirocu | Apr 8 2018, 06:02 AM Post #33 |
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Jarl
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To me they simply look fine, for the most part. Not beautiful but certainly not ugly either. They're like in real life more or less and I am ok with that. Some have wrinkles, some have smooth skin, whatevs. What matters much more to me is the world itself. What you can do in it, how it works and what it looks like and I have to say I love Cyrodiil. It falls hard in the midrange department for sure but unless I focus on it it's not much of a bother. Not even the 2D textured leaves bother me. As long as they sway in the breeze and heavier in strong wind, I'm :cigar: |
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| glargg | Apr 8 2018, 11:49 AM Post #34 |
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Jarl
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I don't think we're playing the same game. Spoiler: click to toggle Please explain what you find "repulsive" about these characters. Links to the above spoilered images: http://www.glargg.com/images/HisseeFitz.jpg http://www.glargg.com/images/Caius01.jpg http://www.glargg.com/images/Linaea.jpg http://www.glargg.com/images/Desdaemone.jpg |
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| Serethil | Apr 8 2018, 12:19 PM Post #35 |
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Et'Ada
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I don't do males - so whatever on him. The elf is okay, the other two are pooch faces.... And I'm not sure that it's vanilla Oblivion - you have no skin tex mods at all? I was never able to get anything like those in vanilla Ob. And as I said, oven OCOv2 doesn't really make skin tex much better, not to mention faces. I just want Skyrim faces in Oblivion. The Nord of these is actually better than the Dunmer, just put her together this morning. I might have to do more tweaking on the Dunmer - she's nowhere near as good as the one I had in the borked game. Spoiler: click to toggle https://imgur.com/OdZrIid https://imgur.com/4WbKvwG |
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| glargg | Apr 8 2018, 12:36 PM Post #36 |
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Jarl
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It's a retexture mod over vanilla mesh, and the face-editing was done with the vanilla interface. I don't know what "poochy" means; it's possible that you're pointing at something I did intentionally, since I find the faces attractive. The purple-haired "Fitzie" won a character-creation contest we ran on the Bethsoft forum. I don't like vanilla Skyrim faces at all. I don't like the vanilla editor, either. Are you seriously telling me that you find these faces attractive?: Posted Image Edited by glargg, Apr 8 2018, 12:36 PM.
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| neildarkstar | Apr 8 2018, 01:27 PM Post #37 |
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Overlord
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Your faces there are okay glargg... Like Sere, I was never able to get results like that with vanilla Oblivion, (it seems you didn't either) and I think my biggest gripe was the "5 O'clock shadow" that insisted on appearing on females. (BTW, I had the same complaint with FONV females). Especially if you wanted to play a redguard or orc character. I think we have a disconnect though regarding "attractive"... I don't mean they have to sexually atttractive, they just need to look like they don't belong to the Flathead tribe. By "repulsive" I mean freakish misshapen heads with unnaturally high foreheads, receding hairlines (which occurs because the forehead is too high and nearly pointed to be easily covered by hair). Frankly, I can point to about five of those Nords who rather closely resemble guys I rode with during my club days. The funny thing is those guys were very popular with the ladies. I don't so much care what NPCs look like, and as far as your male Nord pics go they tend to look like one would expect. However, I've heard a lot of comments from the ladies about Marcurio and whasisname the companion in Markarth... Yeah, the women are rough, but it's not a game mechanic (as it is in Ob) that makes them that way. Literally ALL of them would be fixable as a character. So, I gotta say if you find these ugly, I think you might need some glasses. Posted Image Posted Image Bear in mind glargg, these are SSE chars, and I don't have any "face overhauls". I have apachii hair and one that alters eyebrows only. As far as vanilla NPCs are concerned, I kinda think the loveliest woman in vanilla Skyrim is the dead Nord in the Riften Hall of the Dead... I've thought many times about trying to get her settings and playing her as a character. Oh yeah, and sometimes the female hunter that spawns by Sunstone Gorge... So, that's my take on it, but remember, you asked... |
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| Serethil | Apr 8 2018, 01:37 PM Post #38 |
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Et'Ada
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glargg, when I say Skyrim faces, I'm talking about modded face, skin tex, hair, eyes, body. I don't like vanilla skyrim faces either - when I say I want skyrim faces in Ob, I want my modded ones. None of the vanilla chargen stuff is anywhere close to my taste. |
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| neildarkstar | Apr 8 2018, 01:41 PM Post #39 |
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The biggest advantage Skyrim has over previous games like OB and Morrowind is RaceMenu and Bodyslide. With those two you don't need anything else really, you can create whatever you want. I'd love to have them working in SSE... |
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| glargg | Apr 8 2018, 01:42 PM Post #40 |
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Jarl
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I don't have any "face overhauls" in Oblivion, either. As I pointed out, I'm using a retex over the vanilla meshes. Which means I'm using vanilla face structure. The only change from my retex mod is a higher resolution skin texture, which reduces blotchiness. In other words, all of my Oblivion NPCs look "vanilla," but with a bit better skin. The height and shape of foreheads is something you, as a character-creator, have control over. I think a lot of the problem that people have with Oblivion face-creation is that there are too many choices, and each choice affects others. People don't have a clear understanding of how to approach the "look" they want, so they give up, and blame it on "potato heads." The face-editor is very powerful, but it requires practice to master it. If you only make a few faces, you won't master it. Let me say it again: Those pictures I posted are the way I wanted them to look. |
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