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(Skyrim) The Dragonguard! (1); Time to slay those dragons!
Topic Started: Jul 13 2016, 10:54 AM (4,309 Views)
Adella
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Sorry to hear that Grits... :(
I have to admit I have jumped down from HH three times like that now and each time the fear of that very thing haunted me. I have two words of BE which helps a lot.
Of course I can't actually die in Skyrim, which is nice :) but even so the unexpected ending of a Likeness is always traumatic

You have so many dragon kills! I am simply not seeing them in any numbers. Which is a shame because I can eat Revered dragons now....well, their souls at least....

Still, that is an excellent score sweetie, I would be chuffed to reach it before the sands run dry.
A. :)


Edited by Adella, Aug 8 2016, 12:46 PM.
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Thank you, Adella!

All but one of those dragons were hunted down at Word Walls or as part of the Main Quest, since random dragon attacks were broken in Jonna’s game. Don’t despair if you’re not getting random attacks, just go after them where they live. You’re not the only one in that situation. Good hunting! :)
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Ninja'd by Grits :lmao:
Thank you Grits sweetie
Will do
...............
MQ complete
But I am in agreement with Rick on one issue
I WILL NOT kill Parthy no matter the consequence
Delphine is wrong!
So
Current Score 17675
And rising
Time remaining 7 hours
Ooooh, what to do?
Well, Nahkriin was a doddle, so I'm thinking a mask or two hmmm!
Oh and that named dragon out by Rorikstead Rick tells me.
So far I have 19 unlocked shouts
I have no idea where to get very many more from....I must ask Rick to look them up. Half of the problem is going to be obtaining the souls with so few random encounters.
Word walls with dragons I guess...thats a guaranteed unlock at least.
If only he had readied my likeness somewhat sooner....stupid man!
Right!
Must press on
I will probably complete by tomorrow and add my score
Then sadly I must leave you all once more :(
TTFN
Adella


Edited by Adella, Aug 8 2016, 02:14 PM.
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Aug 8 2016, 02:12 PM

Ninja'd by Grits :lmao:
Thank you Grits sweetie
Will do
...............
MQ complete
But I am in agreement with Rick on one issue
I WILL NOT kill Parthy no matter the consequence
Delphine is wrong!
So
Current Score 17675
And rising
Time remaining 7 hours
Ooooh, what to do?
Well, Nahkriin was a doddle, so I'm thinking a mask or two hmmm!
Oh and that named dragon out by Rorikstead Rick tells me.
So far I have 19 unlocked shouts
I have no idea where to get very many more from....I must ask Rick to look them up. Half of the problem is going to be obtaining the souls with so few random encounters.
Word walls with dragons I guess...thats a guaranteed unlock at least.
If only he had readied my likeness somewhat sooner....stupid man!
Right!
Must press on
I will probably complete by tomorrow and add my score
Then sadly I must leave you all once more :(
TTFN
Adella


Good on you for not killing Paarthy. I couldn't bring myself to do it even in the competition. Don't listen to Rick. ;)
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Kane, read it again mate!

Adella and I BOTH....AGREE (for once) to NOT kill Parthy.

Had Adella wished to do it for the points, I Would not have stopped her....though of course I certainly could! I would have been disappointed in her of course...but thats never stopped the Queen of Mean.

However, thankfully such ill feeling never came to pass because Adella seems to feel as I do that Parthurnax had played a vital role in aiding us defeat the World Eater and save everyone, thus, earning him a deserved second chance. Stuff Delphine!
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Mini update for Adella.....
Level 43
Got all five non dlc 'named dragons'
Alduin
Plus two masks and 26 unlocked words
And:
Dragons 4
Frosties 3
Bloods 2
Elders 3
Revered 2
Current score (inc multiplier) =24325

Looking for a second place finish... Hopefully. :)

Now
What happens about this?

Adella starts all her competition rounds from her progenitor save
In the first tower with Ulfric and Ralof
Thats our standard start as agreed.

But......

Building Adella initially was not exactly a rush job! For obvious reasons.

Meaning she always has a time of exactly 1hr 9minutes showing on her "clock" at the instant of initial load.....

The question must be asked....

Should she therefore accrue a maximum competition time of whatever we set for the Round plus her initial one hour nine minutes.

So for THIS Round for example....can her "clock" on her save file reach 61 hours and 9 minutes as shown?

Thoughts and / or ruling required please.....




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Well, I'd say that I spend about a half hour or more on the creation of most of my characters, and the time spent on that is built into the file's time-stamp. Isn't that how it works for all characters?
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I included the creation time up to the tower as part of my time as well. Wasn't much since I didn't spend tons of time creating my character looks (I have it down to a fair science). Probably should be consistent at this point since many have finished and included that time as well.

I'll go along with whatever Mr. Richard gives for a ruling! :)
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Aug 8 2016, 07:35 PM
Kane, read it again mate!

Adella and I BOTH....AGREE (for once) to NOT kill Parthy.

Had Adella wished to do it for the points, I Would not have stopped her....though of course I certainly could! I would have been disappointed in her of course...but thats never stopped the Queen of Mean.

However, thankfully such ill feeling never came to pass because Adella seems to feel as I do that Parthurnax had played a vital role in aiding us defeat the World Eater and save everyone, thus, earning him a deserved second chance. Stuff Delphine!
Whoops.
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Well, its just so I know where I stand.


In Adella's case of course she was not built specifically for competition use and so much time and care was elaborated upon her creation (over several attempts of course).

There are some who use a custom preset instead, and their entire character creation comes down to a single button click....providing as a useful, if unintended, side effect of maximum competition time for each round.

Of course on pc it all happens in a different order I believe.....don't you build the character first then go through the cart cut scene or something? So is character building part of the timed run.....or does the clock start ticking after the characters has been made?

I have not considered all this aspect before, but having over an hour added to your time is a significant set back in the closing stages.

Yes...its upto Richard to rule on it.

It would seem likely that taking my start time from the first tower progenitor save point would give me an unfair advantage, if everyone else's build time is included to that point.
.....I am not aiming for "advantage".

I am also not wanting to aim at my foot :)

It would seem sensible for future rounds for me to create a new Adella likeness in a more competition minded time frame and save her in that same old tower with Ulfric. I will have myself a mini competition....Adella creation speed run :)
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I can't say that I've ever used a preset, but for the competitions, I usually just throw someone together really quickly, since I don't typically do stories for them.
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Took 36 minutes to get from blank profile to the tower with Ralof and Ulfric. I generally just roll with what ever time, cause I don't think about it, then again, looking back at Samil's save in the "tower"...he's at 2 hr's, some of that is me forgetting it's "timed" and just leaving the game running in C.C. and doing stuff.

Rick depending on what Richard says,I would create a "competition likeness" using the original slider settings, this will still take a couple minutes or so, because you will want to get them right.

I've never used a preset for a competition character, though I have made a competition character a preset.
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I did that a few times, too. :-/ I'd press pause and go mess with something else for an hour, not even thinking about it.
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Creation time is play time!
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Kane....Ref your post 391....Ninja'd like three times over Hee! Adella is the opposite of that of course, since for all my gaming needs its always her, lovingly crafted *sigh*

The usual practice of course, is to build what you need to be a winner.....if its a warrior round, Orc, Nord. If its a mage round, Breton, Elf etc. In otherwords the character is chosen for the role they are to play.

I can't do that without a domestic argument kicking off...;)

So any class to be played.....I get Nord Female, period. That can be a bit limiting at times....but that's how we roll, so I suck it up :)

Sah gets the same...limitations....Sah is always Sah. Adella is always Adella. There is no choice....you might think there is.....buuuut there really isn't. We have to live with our ladies and no matter what round is being played, chucking something different together is not an option.

I did used to have that glass armoured Breton which was deliberately not a character....I termed it my 'exo suit' since it was just a way for me to manifest my own personage in the Skyrim world space. However, since the "aristocracy" have gained such a strong presence.....that little plan has been stiletto stomped to death too....women pfft!

Yeah...I'm rambling now....time to get on with things :)

Edit.....Ah....our rule meister has spoken.....ok acknowledged. Clock time is the full time.....no add backs.

Still got five and a half hours :)
Edited by Rick, Aug 9 2016, 09:10 AM.
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Not to blow holes in anything unfairly/unnecessarily but seeing as the character creation has come up....

Rick, unless one is using an alternate start mod and then still choosing the vanilla start then character creation on PC is still the same as console in that it happens post-cart ride.

Richard, If character creation time is to be included in play time (I have no problem with this), then does not Race Menu mod provide an unfair advantage? If one were to create a character for a longer term RP (we can use my character Alice as an example) with the intention of restarting with the exact same appearance whenever they die, then for the sake of ease one would simply save this face as a preset. If one were to decide to use this face for a competition character then, it would be as simple as clicking "load preset" and you're done in 30 seconds whereas Rick and Adella (for example) lose an hour to creating the likeness to be just so due to being on console.

Point being, do we need a rule (or soft rule being more an honourable guideline) stating that each competition round must include at least one full character creation and not include the use of a custom preset? (subsequent reloads taken from ralof/ulfric tower as creation has already occurred and timed)
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Not to blow holes in anything unfairly/unnecessarily but seeing as the character creation has come up....

Rick, unless one is using an alternate start mod and then still choosing the vanilla start then character creation on PC is still the same as console in that it happens post-cart ride.

Richard, If character creation time is to be included in play time (I have no problem with this), then does not Race Menu mod provide an unfair advantage? If one were to create a character for a longer term RP (we can use my character Alice as an example) with the intention of restarting with the exact same appearance whenever they die, then for the sake of ease one would simply save this face as a preset. If one were to decide to use this face for a competition character then, it would be as simple as clicking "load preset" and you're done in 30 seconds whereas Rick and Adella (for example) lose an hour to creating the likeness to be just so due to being on console.

Point being, do we need a rule (or soft rule being more an honourable guideline) stating that each competition round must include at least one full character creation and not include the use of a custom preset? (subsequent reloads taken from ralof/ulfric tower as creation has already occurred and timed)
Any mods that give an unfair advantage over console players, are all ready disallowed. Mod list has to be approved by the host.
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Kane, I get that...it's just a possible advantage that was not previously considered. That said, there is nothing to stop anyone, console or pc, from picking the first default preset on a given race. For the sake of future uniformity though, in the event we attract new participants...is it worth making a visible note in the rules section or at least ensuring it is common knowledge that the timer starts with character creation? Otherwise there is likely to be someone wanting to only count their time starting from the tower. Just mentioning and thinking in text though, feel free to ignore my ramblings entirely :)
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If we need a rule for future competitions then how about making the time spent creating a character moot. That is, if you have X minutes on the clock at the Ulfric/Ralof Tower then that is deducted (zero'd out), however one wants to put it. Which then means everyone gets the same exact number of hours for the competition.

This approach would allow for everyone's creation pace, fast and furious or detailed and lovingly designed.

Just my 2 Septims (glues them to the floor so Grits has to work for 'em).
Edited by Brambleberry, Aug 9 2016, 04:08 PM.
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