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| Pacific Peace Union | Jul 11 2015, 10:59 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/08/south-carolina-house-debates-confederate-flag/29855017/ Confederate Flag Taken Down On Thursday Gov. Nikki Hale signed a measure to remove the controversial symbol from the grounds of the Statehouse. This flag obviously has some deep history behind it, which can be shown by how emotional the debate got for the flags removal. In the end the vote was 94-20, which came after 13 hours of debate. Supporters of the flag view it up as a symbol of Southern pride while others say it is a symbol of support for slavery and racism, how do you feel about its removal? Or more specifically the flag in general?
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| Tuernia | Jul 12 2015, 11:21 AM Post #11 |
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Firstly, I would like to say I believe that citizens have the right to fly whatsoever flag they desire. Now, should they? No, because the Confederate flag represents nothing good. First and foremost it represents slavery. People argue till they are blue in the face that the Civil War wasn't about slavery, it was about "states rights." This is so much horseshit that was made up so we Southerners could avoid feeling guilty. Of course it was about slavery. The South seceded for the express purpose of protecting the institution of slavery. They were afraid that Abraham Lincoln would try to abolish it, so they rebelled. Not only does it represent slavery, it represent the subversion of democracy. The Confederacy represented the largest attempt ever to destroy the union that the Founding Fathers fought and died to establish. Abraham Lincoln was the democratically elected President of the United States, elected through fair and free constitutional means. The South decided to trample all over the constitution and democracy itself in order to protect the right to own humans as property. Abraham Lincoln, by his own admission, thought he had no constitutional power to abolish slavery, and that nothing short of a constitutional amendment could do so. If those Southern idiots had stayed in the Union they would likely have protected slavery longer, he could never have passed the 13th Amendment if they had not lost their representation by rebelling. If further consider the confederate flag that was flying in South Carolina, that was only put up in the 50s to protest the growing Civil Rights movement. "Southern Heritage" consists of protecting slavery, and protesting human rights. I certainly think it's nothing to be proud of. While people have the right to fly the flag, they should not. Furthermore, I strongly support any measures to remove it from government property, except as part of educational displays. |
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| Polar Svalbard | Jul 12 2015, 11:33 AM Post #12 |
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Holy bugger. This is what I'm taking about this isn't the confederate flag. This is the battle flag. The only thing it stands for are the soldiers who fought to protect their homes and family. The south was stupid during the civil war, thus the confederate flag should not be flown, that stands for slavery. The battle flag stands for the men who fought for their homes and families. We're all German soldiers nazis? No, almost all of them jus fought for the country they loved. Same with British, Russian, and American soldiers. |
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| Tuernia | Jul 12 2015, 11:37 AM Post #13 |
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That is an entirely petty and meaningless distinction. The battle flag represents the goals of the Confederacy just as much as the national flag. It actually represents them even more so, these are the men that fought to further the goals of the rebellion. It doesn't matter what each of them fought for. The Nazi flag will always represent Nazism and the Holocaust, and the Confederate flag will always represent slavery and racism. |
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| Shanowinn | Jul 12 2015, 04:00 PM Post #14 |
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How is it petty and meaningless to distinguish between the two? They are factually different and arose from rather different circumstances. What became the official flag of the Confederacy was born from a political convention between Southern states, dating back to December 1860 in Georgia. On March 4, 1861, the political convention adopted this flag as the flag of the Confederacy: ![]() It would change as more stars would be added. In July 1861, the North and South met at the (First) Battle of Manassas/Bull Run. At one point in the battle, Confederate General Beauregard mistook approaching Confederate reinforcements as Union troops with the flag of the Union, because the official flag of the Confederacy looked too similar to the Union's flag, especially at a distance and/or if the flag was limp at the pole and the red, white, and blue striping and field with stars appear the same. However, it was established that they were fellow Confederates and they went on to win the battle. After that, Beauregard tried to get the national flag changed but that was rejected so he asked for a more easily identifiable flag for his forces/Confederate forces. That ended up being this: ![]() There is a quote on the wikipedia page from the General, and it uses this as the source: Coski, John M. (2005). The Confederate Battle Flag: America's Most Embattled Emblem. Harvard University Press. ISBN 978-0-674-01722-1. I have not read that book I admit, but the quote is from Beauegard himself: "resolved then to have [our flag] changed if possible, or to adopt for my command a 'Battle flag', which would be Entirely different from any State or Federal flag." So are we going to say that a flag chosen at a political convention by politicians--who probably owned plenty of slaves and supported slavery--for a more purely symbolic purpose of what the South stands for (slavery) is not as bad as a flag meant for easier identification of troop formations across the field of battle? Furthermore, what can we say about, for instance, the Bonny Blue Flag? Or is that one not worth distinguishing either? Edited by Shanowinn, Jul 12 2015, 05:48 PM.
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