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Senatorial Procedures
Topic Started: Feb 10 2011, 10:13 PM (636 Views)
HIM Emperor Emeritus Durk II
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My opinion on loyalty oaths is that they are mostly useless, but that's just me. Those with hostile intent - spies and the like - won't take them seriously anyway. I also agree that requiring my approval here but not in the Codex is somewhat confusing despite being perfectly legal.
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Horak
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Not to try to contradict you Durkadurkiranistan :P
but to use your own words:

Emperor Durk II
Feb 5 2011, 10:45 PM
Yonghuoyan
Feb 6 2011, 03:36 AM
At the same time, we must limit their overall Senatorial count, to prevent having a significant minority of Senators not loyal to the Emperor or the Legion.

Excellent point. Perhaps we should require a loyalty oath from them.


I still think the loyalty oaths are a good idea, especially if we are going to let colonials enter the senate.
On the point of emperor approval, if you don't think it is a good thing then I will dump that in the new draft. It can allow the senate to legislate how to approve candidates to senate ourselves :).

@ New Enterprise, I still disagree. Perhaps if more people chimed in I could get a better sense, because I aim to update the draft taking all input in mind. While our current collective may be sane, many times even loyal nations get split apart and do enter into squabbles that would make an easy repeal process a headache. Enter into the equation this region's attractiveness to spies, and an easy repeal process could be a dangerous thing.

On amending laws I don't think that is a good idea. People should vote carefully, and allowing laws to be easily amended allows for casual voting and a "we'll fix it later" mentality. Besides you could always pass a new version of a bill (that addresses the same issue) that has repeal of the previous law in an operative clause, making it sort of the same thing anyway.
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New Enterprise
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I find myself unable to support any bill on Senatorial Procedures that does not allow amendments and requires a 3/4 majority to repeal.
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Ascienia
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I think the Senatorial count is a good idea. The 3/4 majority a bad idea. A forum moderator + administrative officer is a good idea also.

Also, there is no mention about staying Foreign Affairs bills, which IMO is a stronger and immediate resolution and should require a and faster vote.
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Ascienia
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Senator Horak, are you going to publish another draft? Or we could put yours at vote, but I think the 3/4 repeal has to go.
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Horak
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snack first, draft num 2 soon :)
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Horak
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Procedures of the Senate of the Imperial Legion

Preamble: As senators of the Imperial Legion, we strive to create a self sufficient chamber of fairness and equality, so all voices loyal to the Emperor may be heard.

Section 1. Senator Recognition

1. A senator will only be recognized within the Senate chamber after taking a loyalty oath to the Emperor, and being approved by the senate via majority vote after requesting consideration.
2. Said vote will be completed 72 hours following a Petition for Consideration.
3. Each senator is recognized as an equal among his peers, and will not be prejudiced for or against for any reason.
4. No limit will be created on the number of senators recognized.

Section 2 The Task of Legislation

Mark 1 DRAFT

1. Each senator has a right to create a draft or idea and submit it to the senate for input and debate.
2. As discussion continues, this draft can become a bill as it achieves the quality needed to become law.

Mark 2 BILL

1. Once the original author of the draft has received input and has stylized the draft accordingly and in a manner worthy of legislation, it becomes a bill.
2. Bills do not have to be preceded by drafts, yet it is recommended for debate/brainstorming.
3. Once a draft is declared a bill or a bill is submitted, there will be a 72 hour debate period where amendments can be made.
4. Following said period, the Bill moves to a vote if the author is seconded by another senator.

Mark 3 VOTE

1. After the bill is seconded there will be 72 hours in which votes are cast, AYE or NAY, to make it a law.
2. Each senator has 1 public vote that can not be rescinded or changed.
3. A simple majority vote will pass the bill as law.

Mark 4 REPEAL

1. Repeals must start as bills and come to vote in the same fashion.
2. However, for a repeal to pass a 60 percent majority is needed.

Mark 5 Motion to Discuss

1. A Motion to Discuss is a motion raised by a senator concerning a law that said senator wishes to amend, rather than repeal.
2. If a Motion to Discuss is seconded, the senate will consider any and all amendments to the law.
3. Amendments from various senators will be synthesized by the senator who originated the Motion to Discuss
4. These finalized amendments will be voted on in a period of 72 hours and passed by majority vote.
5. Motions to Discuss must only be raised to amend the law, not to reverse the intent to the point of effective repeal.

Section 3 Dismissal

1. The senate has the right to dismiss a nation from the senate via a Motion to Dismiss
2. Said motion undergoes the same Draft to Bill to Law process.
3. The senator can be dismissed for a maximum of three weeks, after which the senator can not be cited for dismissal under the same reasons.
4. Motion to Dismiss bills only pass with 4/5 vote.

Section 4 Acknowledging Authorship

1. Each law will make clear mention of the author, the nation who seconded it as a bill, and any nations who contributed to its contents during draft and/or bill amendments.
2. The senate will maintain record of all laws, even if amended or repealed, to put into archive.
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Ascienia
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I second this motion. Horak, please message me so I can sticky it and put it into a vote.
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His Lordship Cure Doce
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I'll back your motion Horak
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Horak
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thanks for the support :)
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HIM Emperor Emeritus Durk II
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Horak
Feb 13 2011, 01:57 PM
Not to try to contradict you Durkadurkiranistan :P
but to use your own words:

Emperor Durk II
Feb 5 2011, 10:45 PM
Yonghuoyan
Feb 6 2011, 03:36 AM
At the same time, we must limit their overall Senatorial count, to prevent having a significant minority of Senators not loyal to the Emperor or the Legion.

Excellent point. Perhaps we should require a loyalty oath from them.


I still think the loyalty oaths are a good idea, especially if we are going to let colonials enter the senate.

LOL fair point. Well, I thought that an oath might weed out some of the most obviously treasonous colonists. But I don't really have any strong feelings either way.
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