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Motion to Discuss: Procedures of the Senate; Apropos Recognition as Senator
Topic Started: Feb 21 2011, 05:25 PM (456 Views)
New Enterprise
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Esteemed fellow Senators,

I hereby bring forth a motion to discuss the Procedures of the Senate of the Imperial Legion.

My intention is to amend the procedures to be in compliance with the letter and spirit of the Codex of the Imperial Legion, namely this part:
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2.6) Imperial Senate Membership can be attained either by a Senate vote or by direct appointment of the Emperor.


Arguing that the intent of the Codex has been distorted in the Procedures, that a vote with no basis is no better than no vote and that a high threshold to attain full recognition as Imperial Senator is discouraging to possible Senators,

I submit this motion to discuss in accordance with Mark 5 of the Procedures and remind my fellow Senators that it needs to be seconded before any actual process of amendment may commence.
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Rt. Hon. Rinamir Mortem
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I will second the motion assuming you mean that you want the Codex to be changed so that instead of mark 2.6 reading "Imperial Senate Membership can be attained by either Senate vote or by direct appointment of the Emperor." you want it to be along the lines of:

2.6 Imperial Senate Membership can be attained only by vote in the Senate.
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Rinamir Mortem
Feb 21 2011, 05:40 PM
I will second the motion assuming you mean that you want the Codex to be changed so that instead of mark 2.6 reading "Imperial Senate Membership can be attained by either Senate vote or by direct appointment of the Emperor." you want it to be along the lines of:

2.6 Imperial Senate Membership can be attained only by vote in the Senate.

The quoted 2.6 is from the Codex.

This is a motion to discuss the Procedures.

My intention is to restore the system outlined in the Codex that no vote is needed if the Emperor directly appoints someone as Senator.
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Rt. Hon. Rinamir Mortem
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So what exactly are you wanting? No vote with the Emperor appointing directly or a vote?
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New Enterprise
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I want that which is in the Codex: becoming a Senator requires either a.) a vote in the Senate or b.) direct appointment by the Emperor.
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New Enterprise
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Rinamir Mortem, I think it would be best if you stated clearly whether you have seconded this motion or not.
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Rt. Hon. Rinamir Mortem
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So is what you decide to change going to be decided via poll or by what is discussed here.

If the latter then I would say changing it to appointment by Emperor because I still think that by voting on letting people in would be a waste of time considering that our Emperor could do literally what we are doing but much quicker.
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This is the procedure for amending legislation:

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Mark 5 Motion to Discuss

1. A Motion to Discuss is a motion raised by a senator concerning a law that said senator wishes to amend, rather than repeal.
2. If a Motion to Discuss is seconded, the senate will consider any and all amendments to the law.
3. Amendments from various senators will be synthesized by the senator who originated the Motion to Discuss
4. These finalized amendments will be voted on in a period of 72 hours and passed by majority vote.
5. Motions to Discuss must only be raised to amend the law, not to reverse the intent to the point of effective repeal.


If there is a Senator who wishes to see my amendment proposal, I suggest that that Senator clearly seconds my motion to discuss.
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Rt. Hon. Rinamir Mortem
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Right. I got that part.

I, Rinamir Mortem, hereby seconds New Enterprises Motion to Discuss: Procedures of the Senate.
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I would like to direct the Senate's attention to Section 1 of the Procedures:

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Section 1. Senator Recognition

1. A senator will only be recognized within the Senate chamber after taking a loyalty oath to the Emperor, and being approved by the senate via majority vote after requesting consideration.
2. Said vote will be completed 72 hours following a Petition for Consideration.
3. Each senator is recognized as an equal among his peers, and will not be prejudiced for or against for any reason.
4. No limit will be created on the number of senators recognized.


I hereby propose that this be amended to:

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Section 1. Senator Recognition

1. A senator will only be recognized within the Senate chamber after taking a loyalty oath to the Emperor. A senator who has been directly appointed by the Emperor is recognized as soon as the appointment and oath are both completed.
2. A Senate vote for recognition as senator may be requested by anyone who has taken the loyalty oath but not been directly appointed senator by the Emperor. Such a vote may also be requested by the Emperor regarding anyone who has taken the loyalty oath. The vote will be completed 72 hours following the request.
3. Each senator is recognized as an equal among his peers, and will not be prejudiced for or against for any reason.
4. No limit will be created on the number of senators recognized.


This would mean that once someone has taken the oath, the Emperor can directly appoint them as Senator. Alternatively, the Emperor can request the Senate to vote on it. Also, the nation in question can request the Senate to vote, if the Emperor has not already appointed them Senator.
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Rt. Hon. Rinamir Mortem
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I assume the vote will be tomorrow?

Also, the reason why my second was somewhat late was purely because I missed the 6th post.
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New Enterprise
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I don't think there's any rule to exactly when we vote, so I guess it'll be some time when we feel like we have discussed the matter enough.
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HIM Emperor Emeritus Durk II
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I've always had mixed feelings about the requirement that the Senate vote on each application. On one hand it'd keep the Senate busy and active; on the other hand it could be a turnoff to potential applicants. It also worries me that the Senate could easily get flooded with application votes during busy times.

So, while I am not strongly against the current procedure, I would prefer the one proposed by Senator New Enterprise.
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Ascienia
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I suggest the commission of an elected Senate council / position to evaluate Senatorial applications. He has a deadline, say, 24 hours, to accept a Candidate Senator or not. If we are unhappy with his decisions, the Senate has the power to overrule / dispose of him/her, as per the Codex.
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Rt. Hon. Rinamir Mortem
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Ascienia
Feb 22 2011, 12:24 AM
I suggest the commission of an elected Senate council / position to evaluate Senatorial applications. He has a deadline, say, 24 hours, to accept a Candidate Senator or not. If we are unhappy with his decisions, the Senate has the power to overrule / dispose of him/her, as per the Codex.

Sounds like a good idea. I like.

It takes the decision away from the Senate who may already be preoccupied with other votes.

Who would be the Senate Council/Position?
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