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Topic Started: Nov 26 2014, 01:09 AM (967 Views)
scare

oh duh, if Tange busdrives him and is watched no one else will be seen because bus was successful

The issue is who did you try to switch him with in that situation? You cant say DJ because that means we switched DJ. And you wouldnt switch Zara with confirmed town, so you would need to pick someone out of the MI, Corrik, Cata, Damion pile but that would confirm them

or you could do something like say you switched para and zara and they tried to shoot para?
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ScareChan

Scare, here's what I need you to answer: does puns reveal himself tomorrow or not? considering the circumstances I outlined: finding out about mass roleblock eventually, deputy dying, knowing mafia scanner is dead, having claimed vanilla/not being an apparent target yet, etc.


what does puns do? I think I underestimated him because him not claiming cop was a savvy move, I didn't think he had it in him, he's improved greatly since I came back. I think he's feeling really confident up until the point me8 dies. I think he still feel really good about the fact that no one thinks he's cop, I think he might ride it out one more day at least and try to get a scan. He'll probably think with the mass claim that the roleblocker would target someone besides him on n3.
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scare
Nov 26 2014, 09:36 AM
oh duh, if Tange busdrives him and is watched no one else will be seen because bus was successful

The issue is who did you try to switch him with in that situation? You cant say DJ because that means we switched DJ. And you wouldnt switch Zara with confirmed town, so you would need to pick someone out of the MI, Corrik, Cata, Damion pile but that would confirm them

or you could do something like say you switched para and zara and they tried to shoot para?
okay you're going down the rabbit hole, overthinking a situation that isn't even likely to happen yet imo. i need you to think about what puns will do tomorrow, based on what i outlined in my last post. if we think he stays quiet, then we get rid of me8 tonight.
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scare

In my mind assuming puns is cop? Yes he claims to kill Tange. The reason for that is he would be blocked 2 nights in a row regardless of mass block, he already suspected Tange. He has not gotten scans 2 nights in a row and his backup who would have his scans anyways is gone. He knows he will be blocked all game at this rate so he has to out Tange and hope he is the blocker. Nailing that he knows he has 2 nights because of bodyguard and doctor (because if Tange is scum IANH has to be town). Its a very safe play and a high success rate of nailing scum
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scare

And we would have to pick off protection to get to him because there is already so many confirmeds out there that he would get the scans off.

After the deputy was revealed though someone pressed him very hard to make sure it was correct hat he gets the scans. Was that also puns? If it was then yeah I do think he is cop
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ScareChan

scare
Nov 26 2014, 09:40 AM
In my mind assuming puns is cop? Yes he claims to kill Tange. The reason for that is he would be blocked 2 nights in a row regardless of mass block, he already suspected Tange. He has not gotten scans 2 nights in a row and his backup who would have his scans anyways is gone. He knows he will be blocked all game at this rate so he has to out Tange and hope he is the blocker. Nailing that he knows he has 2 nights because of bodyguard and doctor (because if Tange is scum IANH has to be town). Its a very safe play and a high success rate of nailing scum
but he doesn't have any reason to think he'll be blocked all game!

i find it hard to believe he'd think there'd be another mass roleblock. he won't claim cop at least until tange claims that he was roleblocked, so by then more people will have claimed roleblocked hopefully like IANH and Arti.

also, why would he think he has two nights because of bodyguard and doctor? he would know that scum could block the bodyguard/doctor, or once he reveals himself, just block him and make him useless. like i said, i don't think revealing himself is a for sure 1 for 1 with tange, so i don't think he does it. with him being a claimed nilla, he might think scum will roleblock a power claim on n3.
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ScareChan

also he wouldn't get the scans off cause i would be blocking him. so even if we can't kill him, we keep blocking him until we kill him, or until we block the protection and kill him.

i think if he reveals himself, he's guaranteed to not get any scans for the rest of the game, and i think he knows that. i don't think he thinks scum know he's cop, since it's obvious we scanned me8 and our scanner is dead. he probably thinks he can skate by another night or two.



can you imagine how completely unfair this game would be if we killed a nilla on n1 instead of Leo? or blocked someone other than the probable cop? holy s***.
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ScareChan

anyway, I think we roll with it. I think our night actions will be Para uses mass roleblock, Tange does nothing, I do nothing, Death kills Me8.
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ScareChan

only other alternative i see is if we use tange's strongman on me8 today, or even if we're risky, just shoot me8 normally and NOT USE the mass RB. then we block puns again. at that point he might just out tange, and tange dies, but at least we got his strong man off and then we have the mass rb for day 3?


idk i'm still thinking it through, not sure if i like it yet.

the biggest kink in the plan would be if ulti/menu have more power, we would get potentially fucked. on the bright side, if there's a watcher, they probably don't watch me8 since he's psychic, but idk. maybe they do anyway? who knows.
Edited by ScareChan, Nov 26 2014, 09:54 AM.
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Nov 26 2014, 09:17 AM
Just crunching some stuff here. If we kill Puns, then that puts the day 3 roster at...

Scum:

Tange
Para
Atma
Death

People we can't lynch in a million years:

Articuno
Ulti
me813
Menu
Dj-zizzle

Leaving us with:

Catastrophy
Corrik
DamionDL
IANH (who is still probably a doctor!)
MI
Spiral

Yikes. This is seriously brutal.
lets work it out this way. We kill Zara. Puns reveals himself, they lynch Tange. We are forced to kill IANH and Arti the next 2 nights. Assuming we mislynch potential guys that leaves us with something like


Para
Atma
Death

Ulti
Menu
Dj-zizzle
Puns
Catastrophy
MI
Spiral

Lets say in those 2 days he gets inno scans on MI and Spiral and then we kill Puns it comes down to

Para
Atma
Death

Menu
Ulti
DJ
Cata/whoever else
2 innos
dj is confirmed. They would be forced to test you Atma and you would have to shoot one of the masons

Para
Death
Ulti/Menu
Cata
2 innos

mislynch cata kill other mason

para/death vs 2 innos and dj

we're kinda wrecked either way if puns is cop because thats best case scenario
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