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Gura; Juror #10
Topic Started: Feb 15 2018, 05:21:16 PM (157 Views)
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A topic for Gura to ask his questions.
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Heyyyy you two!

It's me, Gura.

First of all, our alliance fucking rules. I'm soooo happy for the two of you, you guys rocked it and no matter what we have a deserving winner. My vote (item? whatever lol) is currently undecided.

So Jinho kind of did this, but can you guys go through the Main Matches and explicitly explain what you did better than the other person? I'm having a hard time remembering who came up with what strategies and stuff like that, I know all three of us contributed ideas.

For Sangmin, I feel like Jinho was more responsible for actually bringing me into the fold when I was all alone without any alliances after the first two rounds. Although I liked you, it was really Jinho who I feel reached out to me. Is this accurate or am I misremembering? Did you have a conversation with Jinho about this before it happened or was it him making a decision and you just going along with it?

For Jinho, you write in your opening statement that your allies were originally Sangmin and Dongmin but that you then brought me in after Dongmin was eliminated. However this is not how I remember it. I remember being part of a threesome with you immediately after the 1,2,3 Game. Is this wrong? If Dongmin had not been eliminated were you planning on working with me or not?

Also on the topic of the 1,2,3 game, I remember Sunggyu explicitly stating that he was going to take Yeonjoo or at least strongly implying it and although you might have suggested Doohee or Hongchul, it was pretty obvious that he was going to take Yeonjoo. In fact I even remember laughing with you guys about Yeonjoo coming in to check on us and patronize us with explaining that we needed at least 1 win to avoid the DM when she was the one doomed, so from my point of view at least it definitely was a "premeditated swipe". Maybe you justified it to yourself that there was a chance Sunggyu would pick someone else (you might have even said something in the thread about how you'd rather not know if it was her, but Sunggyu definitely said that he was leaning Yeonjoo) but I think you ultimately realized what you were doing and if you cared about Yeonjoo staying alive you could have not done it. Just wanted to clarify on that.

Overall though all of my critiques are pretty nitpicky, I think you both played awesome games. Sangmin your move during the Prison Break game and the way you played Jimmy Cha like a fiddle to get him to give you all of those garnets and Jinho figuring out the rocks during the Balloon game are your two stand-out moments from my perspective. Love you guys! <3
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Oh and I have one more very important question for both of you.

Do you count the 1,2,3 game as a challenge win for me, meaning that I've tied the Genius record for most Main Match wins in a row?
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I'll parse out the main matches more soon.

So, my memory from 3 months ago isn't the greatest, but I remember me and Sangmin casually mentioning you'd be a good long term alliance partner in the future, but we didn't officially agree on adding you together. When I invited you, I knew Sangmin would be okay with it though.

In the DM viewing room before the 1,2,3 game, I remember Sunggyu brought up how us 3 should be long term allies, and I specifically remember dodging that by saying we should at the least work together this match. That's how I remember it at least? I maybe wasn't that clear which probably could be considered a little slimey of me, but I didn't want to outright lie or reject. I don't consider that as the time I made a long term commitment to you, but we worked together so well that game, that you and Sunggyu were both people I wanted to protect lowkey.
Sunggyu remained in that sort of area the whole game, but I made a more official deal with you later.
I gave you the Rick and Morty code during the bidding poker game, which was the signal to Sangmin, and that was after Dongmin was eliminated.
If Dongmin hadn't been eliminated, I suspect I'd still end up working with you anyway, because I learned the mulligan at 4 made a lot more sense, allowing me to work with another.
And I really hope it doesn't sound like you were a second choice because that's not how it was at all lol. The first rounds were pretty chaotic and I allied with Sangmin first because he was literally the first person I stumbled on alone, and me and Dongmin were in the first death match viewing room. It was pretty much decided on convenience of who I could talk to up to that point.

I remember Sunggyu saying he wanted Yeonjoo or Doohee and that he was leaning Yeonjoo, and I said something like "I'd prefer you went against Doohee, but since you're giving us a free win, I won't be upset at whatever you end up doing even if you pick her". After the match was done, Dongmin and I talked to Sunggyu after where we (although Dongmin did most of the talking to be fair) told him Hongchul was a better choice. I really wasn't sure he would end up doing. I knew Yeonjoo was at risk, but still it was a free win and I couldn't turn that down.
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Okay Jinho, that's fine. I get that it was three months ago and it doesn't really matter anyway, I was just curious. Maybe we didn't have an official alliance, but from my point of view you were my two closest allies at that point and Dongmin was one of my enemies. I specifically remember being happy about the teams in Dollars and Cents because you and Sangmin were on the opposite team and you were the people I thought were my closest allies at that point so I hoped that you wouldn't send me if we lost. But maybe you didn't give me the official code until after Dongmin had died.

Yeah I was out of the loop for the first few rounds and you were from my perspective one of my only friends, but it isn't surprising that you had other stuff going on.

Yeonjoo can talk more about this with you if she cares about it, but I do think that if it was Sangmin that you were screwing over you would have been more resistant than you were with Yeonjoo. Obviously you were in with Yeonjoo and I was not so we are coming at this from different points of view, but I just thought that needed to be cleared up. It isn't like you had no clue what Sunggyu was going to do, even if you weren't sure he explicitly stated that he wanted Yeonjoo.

I don't have that many more questions at this time. I feel like we pretty much knew what was up about each other. Most of your account seems fairly accurate to me. I still do want a more in-depth analysis of you vs Sangmin in the MMs however
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I'll probably re-read some of the main matches to jog my memory of each main match.

And yes, I agree that if Sangmin was Sunggyu's target, I would have flat out told him no. If you remember, Sunggyu asked if there was anyone we didn't want him to target, and the only person I said I didn't want him to was Dongmin. I could have told him no to Yeonjoo and I didn't. So that is fair that it was half-assed and I really can't say I defended her in a worthwhile manner. But in my eyes, it wasn't a straight up snipe attempt against her.

And yeah, we did feel pretty close to you too at that point, which is why it was pretty much a no brainer to bring you in more officially.
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Look at Jinho all in here hogging the best threat. Hey best buddy Gura! :wub:

I wrote some boring strategy stuff in Hongchuls thread so it's all puffed up and ready. The need to be better then the other people in our alliance didn't happen until the final six anyways in my opinion. Jinho had finangled it so he was better in the eyes of Sunggyu and Jiwon then me but right after that I turned it around so I was on yours and Jimmy's side and he was the target. Jinho was trying to give me the win in the F5 so in the alt universe where Jimmy loses I'm still not a target. And you saw the finals. Jinho is a good player and lucky like the devil but I had the better chance of getting here.

As for bringing you into the fold uhm, probably? I think we talked and I said hell yes but I didn't copy/paste. You'd spoken to Jinho as the duck so you had a pre-existing relationship. You also split off with Jinho to play Bid Poker right after the team game we were separated in. Logisically he had the opportunity to talk to you. I know it mattered to you a lot to be brought into something great! My appeal to you is that I went out of my way to show I wanted it as soon as I could with immunity, awful jokes, becoming balloon bombers and great fishermen and forcing you to play with bugs helping! While Jinho went to help Sunggyu and Jiwon break out of prison.

I'm just glad Jimmy believes in fair trade! You catch more flies with honey so I'm not surprised Jimmy helped me out with a garnet loan. For your best move to me, you got me really good when you helped Jimmy win the Speed round! I didn't see that coming. Should not have been sending you my moves haha!
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*thread

not that I'm implying you're Emperor Palpatine or anything
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Feb 15 2018, 10:33:37 PM
For your best move to me, you got me really good when you helped Jimmy win the Speed round! I didn't see that coming. Should not have been sending you my moves haha!
To be fair, we kind of deserved it that round.
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I AM Emperor Palpatine Sangmin. You know it baby. ;)

You're such a sweetie though. That's very fair about us just not being in the same place at the same time. For me I always credited Jinho with bringing me in because I was really alone and desperate the first two rounds and Jinho was the one who came to me with a plan and gave me some hope which meant so much at the time, but I'll choose to believe that you probably would have.

I'm having a super tough time differentiating between your games still. I agree that Jinho was a bigger target than you throughout his games and that he had a higher chance of being eliminated during his two DMs, but given that he's here can I hold that against him? Normally I'd want to reward someone for being bold and being out in front, but in this case I'm not convinced that your games are substantially different so maybe I should give it to the person who was in the least danger overall?

On the other hand I do think Jinho came up with slightly more game-breaking strategies for MMs, but Sangmin won the final MM and it seems like he had a much more purposeful strategy than many MMs required. It's tight guys. I have gone back and forth as I've typed this.

I wish Jimmy was here so I could vote against him. Lol, sorry Jimmy I love you! <3
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