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Janet Jackson launching fur line; Vile.
Topic Started: Nov 25 2011, 11:27 AM (1,842 Views)
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I dont think I am missing the point at all......[takes off his snake skin boots]
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I'm not sure what the argument is here really. I feel like we all think it's awful on one level or another :s

I guess the thing is you've done the research, you get that it's all fucked up and have decided you can deal with that in order to have the things you want. I kind of see it like you do but from the other side of the coin where I want no part of any of it. All these guys are doing is drawing their own personal lines as to what they believe is acceptable.

I agree that there is not as big a gap between these things as people think but I understand why fur feels so much more flagrant, elitist and unnecessary than a pint of milk or a cheap pair of shoes.
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quoideneuf
Nov 27 2011, 10:50 PM
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Nov 27 2011, 10:48 PM
quoideneuf
Nov 27 2011, 10:26 PM
What do you guys think about gaga's meat dress?
Really weak argument.

The animals involved were NOT killed for her to wear. The meat was bought and paid for from a butcher. And it was very much a one-off.

You don't see her wandering around in real furs.
Its exactly the same as wearing fur - even if it is only a one off...

If wearing fur is vile - then the meat dress was an abomination
No. The meat was slaughtered for food originally, hon.
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quoideneuf
Nov 27 2011, 10:56 PM
Any one wear leather?

Leather
While many people think it is cruel to kill animals for their fur, leather remains a popular consumer item, even though both products require the killing of animals. Most consumers mistakenly assume that leather is merely a by-product of the meat industry, and that buying leather clothing does not increase the number of animals slaughtered. However, this belief ignores the economic interdependence of factory farming and the leather trade.
In reality, leather is a co-product of the meat industry, generating significant profits for both factory farms and the leather trade itself. In fact, without the lucrative sale of animal skins for leather, factory farms would not even be able to turn a profit by selling meat alone. Ultimately, buying leather products subsidizes factory farms while providing financial incentive for them to produce more leather.

Where Leather Comes From

Most leather comes from cattle who are slaughtered for meat, worn-out dairy cows who no longer produce enough milk to be profitable, and veal calves whose soft skin is particularly valuable. Each of these animals suffers a lifetime of cruel confinement and is ultimately harvested for their milk and/or flesh. They also suffer from overcrowding, weather extremes, and lack of food and water on the long trip to the slaughterhouse, with many dying on the way.

Much of the leather purchased in the U.S. is imported from India and China, where conditions for animals are particularly cruel and the cows are so malnourished that they yield little if any meat. Old and sick cows are often forced to march long distances, then crammed tightly into illegal transport trucks that take them to the slaughterhouse. Upon arrival, handlers beat and torture weak and injured cows to force them to walk to the killing floor, then slit their throats while they are still fully conscious. Most clothing labels only specify where the product was finished, not where the leather came from, so if you purchase leather you may be supporting this extreme animal cruelty without even knowing it.

Other animals used to make leather include horses, sheep, lambs, goats and pigs who are raised and slaughtered for meat, as well as kangaroos, elephants, and sharks who are hunted specifically for their skins. In some countries, even dogs and cats are killed for their skins, yet because the products are deliberately mislabeled, consumers around the world unknowingly buy leather made from former companion animals.
Complete bullshit, but carry on...
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Nov 27 2011, 10:43 PM
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Nov 27 2011, 10:24 PM


The rate of animals being abused in the fur trade, is much higher than those slaughtered in regulated animal farms. That's just a fact.
hmmm - i disagree - in fact i think this is impossible given the scale of the farming industry compared to the fur trade...
The fur trade has been investigated a million times. We do know. The fact remains, you need food to live. You don't need fur. End of discussion.
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Nov 27 2011, 11:39 PM
. The fact remains, you need food to live. You don't need fur. End of discussion.
Unless you are Inuit
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So then.... Janet.
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You need food to live but you don't need meat to live. Or I'd be dead. Just sayin.

Not that that has anything to do with Janet's nasty fashion ;)
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Nov 28 2011, 04:29 PM
You need food to live but you don't need meat to live. Or I'd be dead. Just sayin.

Not that that has anything to do with Janet's nasty fashion ;)
An accepted and regulated system of processing cattle for food and byproducts, is VERY different to the world of animal processing for fashion purposes
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Nov 28 2011, 06:52 PM
thesmu
Nov 28 2011, 04:29 PM
You need food to live but you don't need meat to live. Or I'd be dead. Just sayin.

Not that that has anything to do with Janet's nasty fashion ;)
An accepted and regulated system of processing cattle for food and byproducts, is VERY different to the world of animal processing for fashion purposes
That's a big subject that I don't have the inclination or energy for getting into right now but I also don't see what that statement has got to do with what I said? All I was doing was commenting on the 'fact' that has been stated several times in this thread that you need meat to live.
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Actually I think I'd best just duck out. I come to this forum for different reasons and this is a subject I'm too passionate about to bite my tongue effectively. I'll just draw a line under it by saying that as a vegan of course I agree that the daft bint shouldn't be launching a fucking fur line and leave it at that.
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thesmu
Nov 28 2011, 08:09 PM
Actually I think I'd best just duck out. I come to this forum for different reasons and this is a subject I'm too passionate about to bite my tongue effectively. I'll just draw a line under it by saying that as a vegan of course I agree that the daft bint shouldn't be launching a fucking fur line and leave it at that.
i cannot help but back u on this argument

whilst not a vegan at the moment, i used to be one when living in the uk and i admit i never missed meat, not for once. protein is vital for human life, yet there are far healthier sources to consume it than animal meat. beans, lentils, eggs, milk, numerous types of low fat butter and cheese provide the necessary amount of protein required for proper human function. even decades ago, the vast majority of societies were regarding meat as a luxury due to harsh economics, yet they managed to build a tradition on the recipes we're now trying to reproduce in our own kitchens and we get to order at restaurants. all i'm saying is we don't need meat, but we love its taste too much to let go of it.
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Yeah, as far as I know we can definitely survive without eating meat protein.

What is beyond all doubt though, is that we can definitely survive without wearing chinchillas. Unless it seems, you're a fading has-been with no nose, no voice and no living relation to sponge fame from any longer.
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Nov 29 2011, 01:16 AM
Unless it seems, you're a fading has-been with no nose, no voice and no living relation to sponge fame from any longer.
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Her career has been such a disappointment though. Rhythm Nation 1814 and janet. are two of the best pop albums of the 80s/90s.

Where did it all go so horribly wrong. :(
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Where did it all go so horribly wrong. :(
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Nov 29 2011, 11:56 PM
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Where did it all go so horribly wrong. :(
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u mean the 7 week chart topping single or its parent multi platinum album? :basil:

i think her decline was a result of her not evolving according to the times. she kept on recycling the same old rnb generic sound, the songwriting became weaker, no image changes or signs of invention in her stage performances. from some point on, she was just not current enough.
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Janet Jackson has been named the Grinch of the Year in a new poll compiled by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and WENN.

PETA bosses looked back over the year to find the three celebrities they are most at odds with over their fur-wearing, animal exploiting ways and Jackson's plans to team up with fur firm Blackglama for a new line of pelts gave her the clear edge.

PETA spokeswoman Wendy Wegner tells WENN, "While the holidays may be known as the season of giving and peace on earth, that's not always the case for our animal friends.

"When Janet Jackson had her infamous wardrobe malfunction during Super Bowl XXXVIII, at least what popped into view of 170 million onlookers belonged to her, unlike the animal skins she drapes herself in, which are as dead as her fashion taste and her career."

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Nov 28 2011, 04:29 PM
You need food to live but you don't need meat to live. Or I'd be dead. Just sayin.

Not that that has anything to do with Janet's nasty fashion ;)
Meat has the ultimate protein. It is a necessity, especially if you're old and sick. You can live and try your best to make up for it in supplements, but the protein from meat is not to be beat. A fur coat is not necessary. If you don't have to put animals through that treachery, don't! It's a horrible process, and grotesque to say the least. It's never regulated. Animals shouldn't be getting a thousand volts up the ass giving them massive heart attacks (sometimes they don't die, and they have to do it again), or boiled live, stripped of their fur, and left to limp around until they pass out and die, just so Janet Jackson can look like a ten dollar ghetto skank.
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Nov 29 2011, 11:56 PM
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Where did it all go so horribly wrong. :(
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u mean the 7 week chart topping single or its parent multi platinum album? :basil:
She got that because it was her going back to bubblegum pop after her depressing Velvet Rope album, which was the height of her catalog. She used a sample, giggled, and chanted out insipid lines about riding a guys bulge. She was also promoted heavily by MTV with the MTV Icon Awards special, and was on every magazine cover, and TV Guide dedicated a three cover issue to her. They pimped her shit for weeks. There was no way it wasn't going to chart. The remaining singles were nothing to write home about. She had All For Poo, and that was it. It was basically a rehash of the janet. album. After that, Damita Ho came out three years later, this was during her Jermaine Dupri relationship, and the Superbowl happen. So many people blame that event for the album failing, but listen, that album was not going to do well regardless. It was a mess, and that first single was atrocious. By that time, Jermaine Dupri took over her life and career, and we know what resulted. When she put him in her music video "I Want You" for Darito Jo, you knew she was long gone.

BTW, MJ's death was the best thing to happen to her. No one asked her about her tit after that. It was all about how she was doing since his passing, her Number Twos tour, and her fat ass problems. You know what's entertaining about her now? Seeing how low she will go to get publicity. She's in Cher territory now. Hair care products can't be far behind, along with Pro-Activ, although Pro-Activ may be a bit upscale for her.
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