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Brad Pitt's mother doesn't like the gays
Topic Started: Jul 9 2012, 08:51 PM (1,388 Views)
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Jul 13 2012, 11:54 PM
Why on Earth are you a Creationist??? :rant:
Responding to one kind of prejudice with another form prejudice doesn't help anything. I'm a Creationist because Creation fits my view of the world and nature better than Evolution.
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Jul 13 2012, 11:54 PM
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Jul 13 2012, 09:55 AM
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Jul 12 2012, 08:56 PM
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Jul 12 2012, 06:57 PM
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Jul 9 2012, 09:12 PM
It's far worse than that. She's simply an ignorant, bigoted bitch.
The truly sad thing is that she represents about 50-60% of US population.
It really depends on the area, Anastasia.

For example, I live in New England, the Northeast of U.S. and it's very liberal. U.S. is too diverse, you really can't generalize.
You can get a sense of the US by opinion polls. America is a very Conservative country. The majority doesn't believe in Evolution.
Well I'm a Creationist myself, but I'm all for gays and gay marriage :wink: A lot of religious people are open-minded about this issue actually, it's only a stereotype that religious means anti-gay.
Why on Earth are you a Creationist??? :rant:
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Jul 14 2012, 08:33 AM
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Jul 13 2012, 11:54 PM
Why on Earth are you a Creationist??? :rant:
Responding to one kind of prejudice with another form prejudice doesn't help anything. I'm a Creationist because Creation fits my view of the world and nature better than Evolution.
Your view of the world is archaic and embarrassing.
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Jul 14 2012, 03:58 PM
Your view of the world is archaic and embarrassing.
Which makes you judgmental.

Well at least I don't claim my view is the only right view, like many atheists do these days.

And there's nothing embarrassing about Creationism. Right or not, it's still a majority opinion around the world. I'm quite a proud Christian actually. See me flashing my cross in public :flirt:

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Jul 14 2012, 03:58 PM
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Jul 14 2012, 08:33 AM
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Jul 13 2012, 11:54 PM
Why on Earth are you a Creationist??? :rant:
Responding to one kind of prejudice with another form prejudice doesn't help anything. I'm a Creationist because Creation fits my view of the world and nature better than Evolution.
Your view of the world is archaic and embarrassing.
I know where I stand and I know what the facts point to me but he explained himself well and I don't see a reason to insult him. If only all the GAYS BURN IN HELL/OBAMA IS A MUSLIM retards had the same eloquence.
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Exactly. People better lay off Ivane. Just because he doesn't believe the same thing as other people, is no reason to attack or insult him. It's only a belief for fuck sake. He's not hurting anyone.

Does it even really matter what people believe in? It's how you treat other people on a day-to-day basis that matters surely, not whether or not we've been around for a billion years or a thousand years.
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I'd like to think that creationism and evolution don't neglect each other. It could be a union of ideas. It's only a matter of how literally and tightly you see your beliefs.
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Jul 14 2012, 07:27 PM
I'd like to think that creationism and evolution don't neglect each other. It could be a union of ideas. It's only a matter of how literally and tightly you see your beliefs.
Actually, there exists a belief called Theistic Evolutionism which has an impressive portion of adherents in the States. It argues that Evolution did happen, albeit with God's guidance.

Here's a recent Gallup poll done stateside. It shows how the number of Creationists, Theistic Evolutionists and Evolutionists has been changing in the U.S. for past 30 years:
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To be a little specific though, the exact opposite of Creation is Abiogenesis, rather than Evolution. It's true that Evolutionists often believe in Abiogenesis, but there's still a subtle difference since the latter argues about the beginning of life, while former is concerned with the evolving of already existing life forms.
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Jul 14 2012, 04:25 PM
And there's nothing embarrassing about Creationism. Right or not, it's still a majority opinion around the world. I'm quite a proud Christian actually.
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The Western world, or the world where people wipe their asses with their hands? :lmao:

Stop pushing your shit on school children, and stop legislating it. We won't have a problem then. We'll be always able to prove that your embarrassingly wrong, but people are ignorant about all types of stuff. When you start fucking with science, then you're a danger to society.

This is why we had people like George Bush conversing with God over whether to go to war or not.

If you don't live in the US, you have no idea how nuts these Creationists are.

Oh, and it's not bigoted to point out ignorance. Don't play that card.

If I point out that the idea that "blacks aren't human" is ignorant, does that make me a bigot because I'm railing against another person's view?

Of course not, since I can prove that that is simply not the case. The same goes for Creationists. We've proven that they're 100% wrong.

The end.

Ivane seems to be a nice person, but they're simply wrong. What they're all doing in America is an abomination. Sorry if as an America I take issue with them.
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did u see my pic ticktock it was directed at you
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There's a difference between saying "black aren't human" and "God exists". The first one is easily proven wrong, while the second can neither be proved nor disproved. @LUV made a valid point on the first page.

I've only lived in U.S. for three years but met enough believers who are pro-gay. You can't generalize. A lot of my friends are Protesants from Midwest who are very open-minded about social inequality.
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I don't see any point in the idea that a proud Chistian can't believe in evolution. Einstein believed in God... it was you, Ivane, who put them as a synonyms.
If you care about creationism, it is another point, than faith or religion, or church. I think...
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I, for myself, believe in everything that can't be proved or unproved still :)
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Jul 15 2012, 12:37 PM
I, for myself, believe in everything that can't be proved or unproved still :)
So then you believe in unicorns and dragons and leprechauns since you can't prove they don't exist?

Common sense has to come in to play at some point.
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Jul 15 2012, 10:22 AM
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There's a difference between saying "black aren't human" and "God exists". The first one is easily proven wrong, while the second can neither be proved nor disproved.
The burden of proof is on you. You can't come up with up with the goods. Evolution has been proven. The jury is not out. You might as well tell us that unicorns exist.

We can't respect a fallacy, one that denies fact.

I still want to know who this so-called majority is that believes in Creationism. Europe alone is overwhelmingly Atheist. The world is also not all Christian.

Creationism is based on the Old Testament, which is nothing but parables and fairy tales. This is what you're putting your money on.

Only Jews should use the Old Testament, as Christians have no f'in clue what it's about, nor its purpose.

This rubbish all comes before the Age of Enlightenment. This is what you live by. This garbage got people murdered for saying that the Earth was flat. Christianity has murdered scientists, and those who adhere to it for centuries. Creationism has a horrendous past. It doesn't accept fact.

The Bible is not a history book.
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Jul 15 2012, 10:22 AM
@TickTock
There's a difference between saying "black aren't human" and "God exists". The first one is easily proven wrong, while the second can neither be proved nor disproved.
The burden of proof is on you. You can't come up with up with the goods. Evolution has been proven. The jury is not out. You might as well tell us that unicorns exist.

We can't respect a fallacy, one that denies fact.

I still want to know who this so-called majority is that believes in Creationism. Europe alone is overwhelmingly Atheist. The world is also not all Christian.

Creationism is based on the Old Testament, which is nothing but parables and fairy tales. This is what you're putting your money on.

Only Jews should use the Old Testament, as Christians have no f'in clue what it's about, nor its purpose.

This rubbish all comes before the Age of Enlightenment. This is what you live by. This garbage got people murdered for saying that the Earth was flat. Christianity has murdered scientists, and those who adhere to it for centuries. Creationism has a horrendous past. It doesn't accept fact.

The Bible is not a history book.
The burden of prove of existence of God is not on anyone. It's not a provable statement. I'm not making this up -- provability is a concept of formal logic, and not all statements are endowed with it.

This is why theism is a belief, not knowledge. We're not claiming that God exists, but rather believe that this is so.

Europe is not overwhelmingly atheist either. According to the most recent Eurobarometer poll, the 25 (it's now 27) countries of EU are overwhelmingly theist (52%) or spirit-believer (27%). That's your 25 countries of EU. Which are the countries outside the EU? Mostly Eastern and Southeastern European republics, which have undeniably larger portions of believers than Westerners (take a huge country, Ukraine, for example. According to one study, it has only 20% Atheism rate). So actually Europe is still overwhelmingly theistic.

Numbers aside, the main thing to know is that not all believers are the same. Just like you, many of us think Westboro Baptist Church is ridiculous, and we're totally open to religious jokes.



Don't get into argument with me about this, TickTock :wink: As a Theist, I've had a few arguments with Atheists. As a mathematician, I know what constitutes a proof and I know my numbers :)
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Europe is MOST DEFINITELY not 'overwhelmingly atheist'.
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I, for myself, believe in everything that can't be proved or unproved still :)
So then you believe in unicorns and dragons and leprechauns since you can't prove they don't exist?

Common sense has to come in to play at some point.
Oh, don't get me started on leprechauns! The worst sex of my life.
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Jul 15 2012, 12:37 PM
I, for myself, believe in everything that can't be proved or unproved still :)
So then you believe in unicorns and dragons and leprechauns since you can't prove they don't exist?

Common sense has to come in to play at some point.
Oh, don't get me started on leprechauns! The worst sex of my life.
Riverwide wasn't good? :(
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