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The official Justin Timberlake thread; New album "Man of the Woods"
Topic Started: Jan 5 2013, 11:44 PM (7,765 Views)
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Feb 3 2018, 07:31 AM
For whatever reason I don't connect with his music anymore. I didn't care for the previous album either. It's all perfectly listenable but all so kinda sounding the same and dull.
I do appreciate the fact that he puts a lot of effort in the videos and the whole pop thing. He is the only well packaged male product out there.
I can't say I've ever been a huge fan of his. I've liked some stuff more than others. Most of The 20/20 Experience left me cold, but I'm quite liking this. I do know what you mean though. He doesn't exactly make genuinely thrilling, amazing music, but it's also usually of a high enough quality. This album is definitely better than the last couple for me.
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Feb 3 2018, 01:29 PM
Fembot listening to JT on his tranny while doing the ironing!

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Well the official Fembot verdict is a tentative 7/10.

I'm surprised how much Filthy has grown on me, but outside that my favourite tracks are Say Something, Higher Higher, Montana and Midnight Summer Jam.

Ironing completed :bradleh:





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He’s not really a man of the woods though is he, our Justin. I can’t see him pitching a tent never mind hunting for rabbits. He’s more Man At C&A really :bradleh:




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I can picture him being the man of my wood
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I'm mildly obsessed with this album now. Such a grower. There's not really anything I don't at least like now, but I really love quite a few of them.
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Feb 4 2018, 11:24 AM
I can picture him being the man of my wood
I bet you can :wink:



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Good performance, but nothing particularly memorable or thrilling. Is it me or was the mixing dodgy? His vocal wasn't high enough in the mix.



What do y'all reckon?
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I really enjoyed that. The Prince tribute was lovely. It's a real shame about the tech problems with the sound, which did make it seem a bit underpowered.

But Justin just oozes class and charisma. He makes it look so effortless and he's such a sexy mover :flirt:

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Why is he getting SO much shit from Prince fans?
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Feb 5 2018, 12:33 PM
Why is he getting SO much shit from Prince fans?
Seriously??

I thought it was a lovely moment.


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Why is he getting SO much shit from Prince fans?
Seriously??

I thought it was a lovely moment.


So did I! It was Prince's home town, so why not? If he didn't do a tribute, he'd probably have been slated too. The knives are out for him everywhere at the moment.

Looks like he's not gonna get that #1 in the UK. Today's midweeks...

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (17.4k)
2 Justin Timberlake - Man Of The Woods (12.2k) *
3 Simple Minds - Walk Between Worlds (9.1k) *
4 Don Broco - Technology (8.1k) *
5 Ed Sheeran - Divide (5.6k)
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Why is he getting SO much shit from Prince fans?
Seriously??

I thought it was a lovely moment.


So did I! It was Prince's home town, so why not? If he didn't do a tribute, he'd probably have been slated too. The knives are out for him everywhere at the moment.

Looks like he's not gonna get that #1 in the UK. Today's midweeks...

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (17.4k)
2 Justin Timberlake - Man Of The Woods (12.2k) *
3 Simple Minds - Walk Between Worlds (9.1k) *
4 Don Broco - Technology (8.1k) *
5 Ed Sheeran - Divide (5.6k)
Fucking Ed Sheeran :voodoo:

Maybe the Super Bowl buzz will give Juzzy a bounce? :beer:


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I agree with the critics. While it was technically almost a perfect performance, that also kinda killed the whole vibe.
That and too many songs. And that perfectly euphoric and choreographed audience of extras, it just makes if feel too fake.
He can really dance and his singing is OK, there's just something missing. Any kind of attitude, element of surprise?
Like any other "tribute", this Prince one was just tacky.
btw I've seen that Prince Superbowl again today. Damn that was really magical. He was a homophobe, religious nutjob... but that's how you put on a show. No thousands of dancers, no flying from the roof - yet it was more spectacular than any other show.
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I'm mildly obsessed with this album now. Such a grower. There's not really anything I don't at least like now, but I really love quite a few of them.
Riv, I completely agree. It is a grower and I’m also mildly obsessed. The shade that he’s getting from various directions towards both this album and the super Super Bowl performance is completely unfounded and bewildering.



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I'm mildly obsessed with this album now. Such a grower. There's not really anything I don't at least like now, but I really love quite a few of them.
Riv, I completely agree. It is a grower and I’m also mildly obsessed. The shade that he’s getting from various directions towards both this album and the super Super Bowl performance is completely unfounded and bewildering.



Groupthink on a grand scale.

I've never witnessed anything like it! I was literally *banned* on Popjustice for saying "Are you really writing off an album after one day?". They're the equivalent of the pitchforks and torches gangs. It's really, really disturbing. Apparently the rationale for despising his every move is because he and Britney broke up and he wrote a song about it(Cry Me A River) and/or the Janet/Superbowl incident. Even IF he was in the wrong regarding those, so what? What on earth does that have to do with the music or performances? He hasn't molested a child or murdered a puppy!

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What's behind the Justin Timberlake backlash?

This should have been a triumphant week for Justin Timberlake.

His fifth album Man of the Woods - billed as a return to the singer's Tennessee roots - came out on Friday, and he played the Super Bowl Half Time Show two days later, making him the only artist to grace the coveted stage three times.

But both the record and his performance have been savaged by critics. Here's a sample of the comments.

On Man of the Woods:

"We are now approaching the 12th year of the national delusion that Justin Timberlake remains an essential pop star." [New York Times]
"A noncommittal shrug of an album." [Stereogum]
"There's no refuge from the lyrics, which in many places engender the same mix of emotions you'd confront upon walking in on your parents having sex." [Pitchfork]

On his Super Bowl performance:

"Aesthetically and ethically, Timberlake's magic didn't take. It seemed like he'd cast the wrong spell, making himself invisible within swarms of dancers." [NPR]
"He was a man in the weeds, scrambling through his archives to find any moment that might connect with an audience that, in substantial part, hasn't lived with his music." [Time Magazine]
"The show is almost over. And then it is. And a feeling of togetherness washes over us, a feeling of certainty that we all just witnessed something unambiguously underwhelming." [Washington Post]
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Timberlake must be wondering what went wrong. Because, truth be told, there's nothing egregiously bad about either Man of the Woods or his Super Bowl performance. They're just... slightly disappointing.

The backlash feels bigger than a commentary on his music. There's a mockery and a cruelty that feels personal - as though people had a lingering resentment towards the star, and they've suddenly been given licence to express it.

For some, it goes back to his relationship with Britney Spears. After they broke up, he made music and videos that traded on their story and told several interviewers he'd taken her virginity - a personal detail that wasn't his to share.

For others, it's about his failure to support Janet Jackson after exposing her breast to millions of TV viewers at the 2004 Super Bowl.

Timberlake's half-hearted acknowledgement of that moment at this year's show did not go unnoticed.

"He chose to perform the song Rock Your Body, during which the famous wardrobe malfunction took place, and yet he didn't mention Janet: He didn't shout her out, and he stopped the song right before the line during which he ripped off her costume," pop critic Ann Powers told NPR.

"It was almost like he was trying to erase what had happened in the past, but that is just not flying in 2018."

"The Super Bowl performance invited people to reflect on the time Justin threw Janet Jackson under a bus, and what that said about race and gender," agrees Peter Robinson, editor of Popjustice.

Timberlake has also been criticised for his fumbled response to the #TimesUp movement.

He starred in Woody Allen's latest film, Wonder Wheel, but appeared not to consider the moral implications of working with the director, who has been accused of sexual abuse by his adopted daughter.

"I chose to not get into it," he told The Hollywood Reporter. "I really don't dive into any of that stuff with anybody."

He later appeared at the Golden Globes wearing a Time's Up badge, but appeared to miss the point of the movement, sharing a picture of himself and his wife Jessica Biel captioned: "DAMN, my wife is hot! #TIMESUP #whywewearblack"

"He's spectacularly misjudged this comeback in a lot of different ways," says Laura Snapes, deputy music editor at The Guardian.

"It's a terrible mess of things to do with racial signifiers and gender signifiers.

"At this point in time, we're expecting pop stars to be spokespeople on a certain level, and he's definitely not living up to that."

Last month, in an article for New York Magazine, the critic Molly Fischer dubbed this phenomenon "Pop Culture's Great Awokening".

It has become "impossible to discuss contemporary pop culture" without weighing such concerns as "racial, cultural, sexual, and gender identities", she argued. And what's more, we expect our artists to reflect that conversation.

It's a theme that derailed Katy Perry's album campaign last year - after making a gesture towards political activism on the single Chained To The Rhythm, she retreated to familiar territory with Bon Appetit, a cartoonish ode to oral sex.

"It's interesting how Katy was demolished for trying to be woke and Justin's being criticised for not trying at all," says Peter Robinson.

"In each of those cases, there's been a pack mentality in the media - once they sense blood, it's open season, and so for every pertinent article there end up being 20 that just exist for clicks, or as an exercise in young writers demolishing a previous generation's pop icons.

"What's also been true of both Justin and Katy is that their albums simply haven't been up to scratch, so there's an escalating cycle of politics being an excuse to attack a bad album, and a bad album being a reason to attack politics."

And that's really the crux of it.

"I think if the music was good, it would override any of those ideological problems people have with it," says Snapes.

Indeed, Ed Sheeran and Bruno Mars seem to be doing pretty well for themselves with music that has very little to say outside of "I like making songs" and "hey, ladies, how about getting undressed?"

But, crucially, they don't pretend to be saying anything profound. Timberlake, on the other hand, said Man Of The Woods would be his most personal album to date, inspired by "my son, my wife, my... and where I'm from," in America's deep south.

He launched the album with an unintentionally hilarious trailer in which he dramatically walks through corn fields in a flannel shirt, while a female voice-over declares: "It's like Wild West but now".

"It was like a cologne advert," says Laura Snapes. "And it was a mistake for him to release that before there was any music, because it instantly made people think he was pivoting to whiteness.

"It seemed like a very convenient thing to go for in Trump's America - to abandon the signifiers of black music you've carried with you throughout your career.

"It was tasteless and ridiculous and plays on these outdated ideas of the strong man in the West."

The trailer for Man Of The Woods gave a confusing message about the star's new direction - which turned out not to be very country, after all
Peter Robinson agrees: "There really hasn't been a worse time in pop history for someone to expect widespread applause for delivering a mediocre celebration of supposed manliness.

"Man of the Woods is precisely what happens when a pop star's favourite pastime is golf."

And, yet, Timberlake doesn't appear to have been unduly damaged by his critical mauling.

Man of the Woods looks like it will enter the UK chart at number two on Friday, and streams of his music jumped dramatically following the Super Bowl. According to YouTube, fans streamed half a million Justin Timberlake videos in the hour immediately after his performance.

Is it possible that, despite thousands of think-pieces (including this one), fans don't fire up Spotify and choose what to play based on the artist's level of "wokeness"?

"A lot of young music fans are increasingly tuned in to the politics of recording artists," says Robinson. "But I'm not sure young music fans are relevant to any discussion of Justin Timberlake in 2018.

"So I don't think this critical backlash will decimate Justin's career, but it's important that journalism holds artists to account."

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-42959415
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The arrogance of journalists *informing* us plebs that the music isn't very good. The likes of Peter Robinson of Popjustice, who would wet himself over a new Sinitta single, telling us that the album is "mediocre".

Makes my blood boil!
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