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The official Kylie thread; New album "Golden"
Topic Started: Jan 13 2013, 01:57 AM (19,471 Views)
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even though quite disappointed when hearing it for the first time, i now believe it's a definite grower. there's also quite a warm reception for it all over the web.

i wouldn't say it's dull, however it does sound like a song katy perry would kill to record.
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But don't you think that this is a woman who has, more than most, her pick of songwriters and producers. This is her moment to really find her "Hung Up" or "Believe". And this is what we get?

I love Kylie. I really wanted to love this. But, sorry, I've given it four spins now ... I think it's crud. It would be tolerable if it was the new Union J single, however.
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Jan 20 2014, 12:43 AM
What isn't shit about it? I sounds like a thousand other songs out there. If it wasn't Kylie, we wouldn't even be registering it.
but this is why kylie's such a charismatic popstar. there are several songs in her back catalogue that if handed to other artists they would have gone unnoticed, however she's been constantly bringing a certain uniqueness with her vocals - that's the kylie factor

and yes, it's hardly innovative, but at least it's pretty lovely. i'd be thrilled if she had come up with another slow or head type of mindblowing lead single but this is still pleasant and dignified. to put it otherwise, gimme all your luvin is shit. that shakira/riri duet is shit. katy's latest single is shit. this is not shit. kylie's incapable of releasing a shit lead single
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Jan 20 2014, 12:43 AM
What isn't shit about it? I sounds like a thousand other songs out there. If it wasn't Kylie, we wouldn't even be registering it.
What isn't shit? Well...nothing is shit about it in my opinion. The production is the least appealing aspect for me, and at worst, it's generic. It's a very well written pop song. It never soars to any great heights, but it has decent verses, a good pre-chorus and a strong chorus. It also has a nice middle-eight. It's not a lazy, repetitive song, like a lot of chart stuff these days. It's very, very safe, but as we know, I'm all about the melody, and is more than adequate in that department. It's been stucking in my head since the second of third listen.

Definitely not shit for me!
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Jan 20 2014, 01:00 AM
and yes, it's hardly innovative, but at least it's pretty lovely. i'd be thrilled if she had come up with another slow or head type of mindblowing lead single but this is still pleasant and dignified. to put it otherwise, gimme all your luvin is shit. that shakira/riri duet is shit. katy's latest single is shit. this is not shit. kylie's incapable of releasing a shit lead single
Absolutely. Couldn't have said it better. It's a vastly superior song to all of those mentioned.
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Sorry, I so don't agree with that. Kylie has survived because she's savvy and canny. She has a competent pop voice, not an overtly charismatic one. Her skill has been in picking the right projects over the years and projecting the right image, which has generated a tremendous amount of goodwill towards her that have seen her through her lean periods. (And, really, apart from "Fever", her records sales haven't mirrored her celebrity since those early PWL days.)

I could name DOZENS of her singles that piss all over this one. It has nothing to do with "Gimmie All Your Luvin'" or whatever Katy Perry is doing. It's about looking at the choices she has in front of her and judging what she's chosen to put her name to.
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Jan 20 2014, 12:49 AM
But don't you think that this is a woman who has, more than most, her pick of songwriters and producers. This is her moment to really find her "Hung Up" or "Believe". And this is what we get?

I love Kylie. I really wanted to love this. But, sorry, I've given it four spins now ... I think it's crud. It would be tolerable if it was the new Union J single, however.
i have to agree with you she's been recording tracks with an impressive number of top notch writers/producers ever since x, which should led us to believe her a&r could have at least picked at least 12 songs out of the basket in order to compile an amazing studio set each time. however i do think the problem is a combination of her label taking entirely wrong decisions when choosing the final tracklists (it's no coincidence some of her best songs end up being left over or released as bonus tracks/b sides) and the A namers providing her with their second rated material while keeping their best stuff for artists that sell way more than kylie.
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Jan 20 2014, 01:08 AM
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Jan 20 2014, 12:43 AM
What isn't shit about it? I sounds like a thousand other songs out there. If it wasn't Kylie, we wouldn't even be registering it.
What isn't shit? Well...nothing is shit about it in my opinion. The production is the least appealing aspect for me, and at worst, it's generic. It's a very well written pop song. It never soars to any great heights, but it has decent verses, a good pre-chorus and a strong chorus. It also has a nice middle-eight. It's not a lazy, repetitive song, like a lot of chart stuff these days. It's very, very safe, but as we know, I'm all about the melody, and is more than adequate in that department. It's been stucking in my head since the second of third listen.

Definitely not shit for me!

Well, I suppose it's all relative. Every "positive" comment I've read here smacks of "it's fine, it'll do". I'd rather she released better than that.

Given that she definitely COULD release better than that ... it's shit!
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Well, it IS fine and it WILL do. I do actually think that.

That doesn't mean it's "shit" though. That, I can't agree with!
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Jan 20 2014, 01:18 AM
Well, it IS fine and it WILL do. I do actually think that.

That doesn't mean it's "shit" though. That, I can't agree with!

We don't have to agree, sweetheart.

We're debating because we care. And that's definitely not shit! :beer:
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I think Kylie's pull with big name producers and songwriters is seriously overrated by some. Her sales are tiny compared to the other pop girls out there. There's no way that Kylie gets the BIG songs in any major songwriter's catalogue. She'd get the stuff passed on by at least a dozen other acts.
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Jan 20 2014, 01:08 AM
The production is the least appealing aspect for me, and at worst, it's generic. It's a very well written pop song.
entirely agreeing on this. if there's one weak link about the song, it's the generic production. i'm sure a more daring approach would have lifted to all the lovers levels of brilliance. the songwriting is as solid as any of her biggest hits over the past decade.
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Jan 20 2014, 01:19 AM
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Well, it IS fine and it WILL do. I do actually think that.

That doesn't mean it's "shit" though. That, I can't agree with!

We don't have to agree, sweetheart.

We're debating because we care. And that's definitely not shit! :beer:
Agreed! Let's just have a boogie to this instead!

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Jan 20 2014, 01:19 AM
I think Kylie's pull with big name producers and songwriters is seriously overrated by some. Her sales are tiny compared to the other pop girls out there. There's no way that Kylie gets the BIG songs in any major songwriter's catalogue. She'd get the stuff passed on by at least a dozen other acts.

I don't think it's overrated at all. What songwriter who gives a fuck about the likes of Madonna, Kylie etc. doesn't want to be the one who puts their name to their big hit? It's all about the legacy. If was always about the latest hot act, why did Cher get to record "Believe"?
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Ah, fuck it. I'm off to bed.

Night all! :) xxxxxx
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Jan 20 2014, 01:23 AM
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I think Kylie's pull with big name producers and songwriters is seriously overrated by some. Her sales are tiny compared to the other pop girls out there. There's no way that Kylie gets the BIG songs in any major songwriter's catalogue. She'd get the stuff passed on by at least a dozen other acts.

I don't think it's overrated at all. What songwriter who gives a fuck about the likes of Madonna, Kylie etc. doesn't want to be the one who puts their name to their big hit? It's all about the legacy. If was always about the latest hot act, why did Cher get to record "Believe"?
Sheer luck.

"As released, the single incorporates the work of six different songwriters, two producers and executive producer Rob Dickins, the erstwhile chairman of Warner Bros, but according to Mark Taylor the creation of "Believe" was a "strange one." Originally written by Brian Higgins, Matthew Gray, Stuart McLennen and Tim Powell and circulated on Warner as a demo for months, nobody wanted it. Mark Taylor said that "everyone loved the chorus but not the rest of the song; As we were already writing other songs for Cher, Rob asked us if we could sort it out."

These days especially, the big songs do not get offered to comparitively minor artists like Kylie. Beyonce, Rihanna etc all get first dibs.
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There's no way that Kylie gets the BIG songs in any major songwriter's catalogue. She'd get the stuff passed on by at least a dozen other acts.
even calvin harris gave her a mediocre song for her last album when one would have imagined he could do a lot better than that considering she was responsible for bringing him to the limelight and therefore he should just return the favour.
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Jan 20 2014, 01:29 AM
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There's no way that Kylie gets the BIG songs in any major songwriter's catalogue. She'd get the stuff passed on by at least a dozen other acts.
even calvin harris gave her a mediocre song for her last album when one would have imagined he could do a lot better than that considering she was responsible for bringing him to the limelight and therefore he should just return the favour.
Exactly. Rihanna got the brilliant Calvin Harris stuff. Kylie was wayyyy down the list.
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Jan 20 2014, 01:27 AM
Beyonce, Rihanna etc all get first dibs.
and even them cannot get enough truly great songs to form flawless studio sets. half of the tracks, if not more, tend to be boring fillers.
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Jan 20 2014, 01:23 AM
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I think Kylie's pull with big name producers and songwriters is seriously overrated by some. Her sales are tiny compared to the other pop girls out there. There's no way that Kylie gets the BIG songs in any major songwriter's catalogue. She'd get the stuff passed on by at least a dozen other acts.

I don't think it's overrated at all. What songwriter who gives a fuck about the likes of Madonna, Kylie etc. doesn't want to be the one who puts their name to their big hit? It's all about the legacy. If was always about the latest hot act, why did Cher get to record "Believe"?
Sheer luck.

"As released, the single incorporates the work of six different songwriters, two producers and executive producer Rob Dickins, the erstwhile chairman of Warner Bros, but according to Mark Taylor the creation of "Believe" was a "strange one." Originally written by Brian Higgins, Matthew Gray, Stuart McLennen and Tim Powell and circulated on Warner as a demo for months, nobody wanted it. Mark Taylor said that "everyone loved the chorus but not the rest of the song; As we were already writing other songs for Cher, Rob asked us if we could sort it out."

These days especially, the big songs do not get offered to comparitively minor artists like Kylie. Beyonce, Rihanna etc all get first dibs.

"Sheer luck" or Cher, or whoever was looking after her, was able to spot a big hit? It's like "Hung Up". Who would have thought that sticking a nursery rhyme lyric over an Abba sample and disco beat would have been such a massive single? There was an ear employed somewhere who spotted it. It ain't luck to score hits as big as this. Someone, somewhere had the bollocks to say, "These might not be trendy sounds we're dealing with, but the public are going to love it." Rather than "Oh, you might be knocking 50, but we should still try and make you relevant to Radio 1!!!!!"

It all goes back to what I said at the start. Kylie is in the position to choose people to work with her that mean she doesn't have to release "that'll do" tracks. And this single is absolutely the epitome of that.

She can, and should, do better than this generic offering that no one will give two fucks about the time the year fades out.

NOW I'm going to bed ... zzzzzzzzzzzz.
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