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| Topic Started: Feb 11 2013, 11:38 AM (1,425 Views) | |
| Pera | Feb 13 2013, 11:26 AM Post #21 |
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ok just one more
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| Riverwide | Feb 13 2013, 07:31 PM Post #22 |
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| FuckBuddy | Feb 15 2013, 11:57 PM Post #23 |
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| GimmeSomeRiver | Feb 25 2013, 09:55 AM Post #24 |
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When I lay in bed I touch myself and I think of you
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I urge everyone to watch a documentary called Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God. It exposes the Roman Catholic church for being aware and fostering pedophiles for centuries and guess who was in charge of the office for looking into pedophilia cases (and subsequently turning a blind eye) under John Paul II? Yes, that's RIGHT current (or retiring I guess) Pope Benedict XVI. It's shocking, gruesome stuff and again, I urge everyone to watch it to realize what a corrupt, insular establishment the Church is (Catholic and Orthodox, there ware major financial and sexual scandals a few years ago involving the Orthodox priests here in Greece). |
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| Jimmy Mack | Feb 25 2013, 12:21 PM Post #25 |
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Well, we have yet another Catholic cardinal scandal going on in the UK right now. This guy is an wretched, hateful old bastard. I am DELIGHTED to see him get his comeuppance. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21572724 |
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| johnnox | Feb 25 2013, 12:47 PM Post #26 |
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It's the hypocrisy of homophobics in power, be it the church or politics, who then are exposed as closet gays that offends me the most. At least with people nice Nick Griffin of the BNP, you know where you stand. You know he's a vile human being, but I kind of respect his honesty in that that is what he believes. How can you live with yourself if you are preaching anti-gay words yet you touch up priests in your spare time? |
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| Riverwide | Feb 25 2013, 01:24 PM Post #27 |
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Indeed. How the fuck do these gits sleep at night? It's incomprehensible. |
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| GimmeSomeRiver | Feb 25 2013, 07:25 PM Post #28 |
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When I lay in bed I touch myself and I think of you
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And helpless deaf 12 year olds! The priest in the movie I mentioned justified it by saying that he could see they were homosexual and by playing with their penis he took the gay away
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| Riverwide | Feb 25 2013, 07:29 PM Post #29 |
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| Riverwide | Feb 25 2013, 07:34 PM Post #30 |
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| johnnox | Feb 26 2013, 10:05 AM Post #31 |
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| Fembot 1 | Feb 26 2013, 10:15 AM Post #32 |
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| Riverwide | Feb 26 2013, 10:17 AM Post #33 |
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| GimmeSomeRiver | Mar 13 2013, 07:26 PM Post #34 |
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So there's a new Pope if anyone cares. Argentine Is 266th Pope Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the archbishop of Buenos Aires, has been elected the new pope. By RACHEL DONADIO Published: March 13, 2013 VATICAN CITY — With a puff of white smoke from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel and to the cheers of thousands of rain-soaked faithful, a gathering of Catholic cardinals picked a new pope from among their midst on Wednesday — choosing the cardinal from Argentina, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the first leader of the church ever chosen from South America The new pope, 76, who will be called Francis, the 266th pontiff of the Roman Catholic Church, is also the first non-European leader of the church in more than 1,000 years. The new pope was announced on the white balcony on the front of St. Peter’s Basilica as thousands of the faithful cheered joyously below. “Habemus papam!,” members of the crowd shouted in Latin, waving umbrellas and flags. “We have a pope!” Others cried “Viva il Papa!” “It was like waiting for the birth of a baby, only better, " said a Roman man. A child sitting atop his father’s shoulders waved a crucifix. Francis is the first pope not born in Europe since Columbus alighted in the New World. In choosing him, the cardinals sent a powerful message that the future of the Church lies in the Global South, home to the bulk of the world’s Catholics. One of Benedict’s abiding preoccupations was the rise of secularism in Europe, and he took the name Benedict after the founder of European monastic culture. The new pope inherits a church wrestling with an array of challenges that intensified during his predecessor, Benedict XVI — from a priest shortage and growing competition from evangelical churches in the Southern Hemisphere where most of the world’s Catholics live, to a sexual abuse crisis that has undermined the church’s moral authority in the West, to difficulties governing the Vatican itself. Benedict abruptly ended his troubled eight-year papacy last month, announcing he was no longer up to the rigors of the job. He became the first pontiff in 598 years to resign. The 115 cardinals who are under the age of 80 and eligible to vote chose their new leader after two days of voting. Before beginning the voting by secret ballot in the Sistine Chapel on Tuesday, in a cloistered meeting known as a conclave, the cardinals swore an oath of secrecy in Latin, a rite designed to protect deliberations from outside scrutiny — and to protect cardinals from earthly influence as they seek divine guidance. The conclave followed more than a week of intense, broader discussions among the world’s cardinals where they discussed the problems facing the church and their criteria for its next leader. “We spoke among ourselves in an exceptional and free way, with great truth, about the lights, but also about shadows in the current situation of the Catholic Church,” Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna, a theologian known for his intellect and his pastoral touch, told reporters earlier this week. “The pope’s election is something substantially different from a political election,” Cardinal Schönborn said, adding that the role was not “the chief executive of a multinational company, but the spiritual head of a community of believers.” Indeed, Benedict was selected in 2005 as a caretaker after the momentous papacy of John Paul II, but the shy theologian appeared to show little inclination toward management. His papacy suffered from crises of communications — with Muslims, Jews and Anglicans — that, along with a sex abuse crisis that raged back to life in Europe in 2010, evolved into a crisis of governance. Critics of Benedict’s secretary of state, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, said he had difficulties in running the Vatican and appeared more interested in the Vatican’s ties to Italy than to the rest of the world. The Vatican is deeply concerned about the fate of Christians in the war-torn Middle East. The new pope will also inherit power struggles over the management of the Vatican bank, which must continue a process of meeting international transparency standards or risk being shut out of the mainstream international banking system. In one of his final acts as pope, Benedict appointed a German aristocrat, Ernst von Freyberg, as the bank’s new president. He will have to help make the Vatican bureaucracy — often seen as a hornet’s nest of infighting Italians — work more efficiently for the good of the church. After years in which Benedict and John Paul helped consolidate more power at the top, many liberal Catholics also hope that the next pope will also give local bishops’ conferences more decision-making power to help respond to the needs of the faithful. The reform of the Roman Curia, which runs the Vatican, “is not conceptually hard, it’s hard on a political front but it will take five minutes for someone who has the strength. You get rid of the spoil system and that’s it,” said Alberto Melloni, the author of numerous books on the Vatican and the Second Vatican Council. The hard things are “if you want a permanent consultation of bishops’ conferences,” he added. For Mr. Melloni, foreign policy and the church’s vision of Asia would be crucial to the next pope. “If Roman Catholicism was capable of learning Greek while it was speaking Aramaic, of learning Celtic while it was speaking Latin, now it either has to learn Chinese or ‘ciao,'” he said, using the Italian world for “goodbye.” Ahead of the election of a new pope, cardinals said they were looking for “a pope that understands the problems of the Church at present” and who is strong enough to tackle them, said Cardinal Miloslav Vlk, the archbishop emeritus of Prague who participated in the general congregations but was not eligible to vote in a conclave. He said those problems included reforming the Roman Curia, handling the pedophilia crisis and cleaning up the Vatican bank, which has been working to meet international transparency standards. “He needs to be capable of solving these issues,” Cardinal Vlk said as he walked near the Vatican this week, adding that the next pope needs “to be open to the world, to the troubles of the world, to society, because evangelization is a primary task, to bring the Gospel to people.” The sex abuse crisis remains a troubling issue for the church, especially in English-speaking countries where victims sued dioceses found to have moved around abusive priests. On Wednesday, news reports in California showed that one cardinal elector, Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, the former archbishop of Los Angeles, the diocese and an ex-priest had reach a settlement of almost $10 million in four child sexual abuse cases, according to the victims’ lawyers. Becoming pope also has a human dimension. In one of his final speeches as pope before he retired on Feb. 18, Benedict said that his successor would need to be prepared to lose some of his privacy. |
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| FuckBuddy | Mar 14 2013, 12:51 AM Post #35 |
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i'd love it if he stood on the balcony addressing don't cry for me argentina to the crowd of vatican square. would that be too gay friendly for the catholics? |
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| Riverwide | Mar 14 2013, 12:54 AM Post #36 |
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This one hates gays too. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-gay-marriage-anti_n_2869221.html Pope Francis Against Gay Marriage, Gay Adoption Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, a 76-year-old Argentinean, was chosen as the first Latin American pope on Wednesday. He will lead the world's 1.2 billion Catholics as Pope Francis. While his selection may be historic, it may also mean more of the same when it comes to gay rights in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis is a conservative who is anti-gay marriage and anti-gay adoption. He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil and a “destructive attack on God’s plan.” He has also said that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children. In 2010, Francis championed against a bill for same-sex marriage and gay adoption, according to the National Catholic Register. “[T]he Argentine people will face a situation whose outcome can seriously harm the family," he wrote to the four monasteries in Argentina. "At stake is the identity and survival of the family: father, mother and children. At stake are the lives of many children who will be discriminated against in advance, and deprived of their human development given by a father and a mother and willed by God. At stake is the total rejection of God’s law engraved in our hearts.” He went on to describe it as a "‘move’ of the Father of Lies who seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God" and asked for lawmakers to "not act in error." In John 8:44, the Father of Lies is the devil. Argentina approved same-sex marriage in 2010, making it the first Latin American country to legalize the union, the New York Times previously reported. The country is also progressive when it comes to contraception. President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner has promoted free contraception and artificial insemination, the Associated Press notes. In the past, Francis has clashed with the Argentinean government over his stance on these issues. GLAAD President Herndon Graddick responded to the election of the new pope in a statement obtained by The Huffington Post. For decades the Catholic hierarchy has been in need of desperate reform. In his life, Jesus condemned gays zero times. In Pope Benedict's short time in the papacy, he made a priority of condemning gay people routinely. This, in spite of the fact, that the Catholic hierarchy had been in collusion to cover up the widespread abuse of children within its care. We hope this Pope will trade in his red shoes for a pair of sandals and spend a lot less time condemning and a lot more time foot-washing. Graddick also specifically addressed Francis' previous comments about gay adoption being a "discrimination against children." "The real discrimination against children is the pedophilia that has run rampant in the Catholic Church with little more than collusion from the Vatican," he said. Along with GLAAD, Stonewall Chief Executive Ben Summerskill responded to the new pope's election, saying: ‘We hope Pope Francis shows more Christian love and charity to the world’s 420 million lesbian, gay and bisexual people than his predecessor." Despite the pope's prior anti-gay sentiments, Francis' official biographer, Sergio Rubin, defended him as a noble man. "Is Bergoglio a progressive – a liberation theologist even? No," he told the AP. "He's no third-world priest. Does he criticize the International Monetary Fund, and neoliberalism? Yes. Does he spend a great deal of time in the slums? Yes." In 2001, he visited a hospice and washed the feet of AIDS patients, according to The National Catholic Register. That same year he spoke out in defense of those less fortunate, contrasting "poor people who are persecuted for demanding work, and rich people who are applauded for fleeing from justice." |
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| GimmeSomeRiver | Mar 14 2013, 06:41 AM Post #37 |
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I'm not even Catholic but I'm completely dissillusioned with the Catholic church (not that I was ever a fan). Along with the widespread abuse scandals, I watched another documentary (How to Survive a Plague) and the church kept preaching how evil condoms are in the midst of the AIDS crisis, essentially contributing to the deathos of thousands of people. Awful. |
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| Anastasia Beaverhausen | Mar 14 2013, 10:32 AM Post #38 |
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I always think, does church approbate the exact sex positions which you shoul be having sex, without condom. Or some positions are banned? They should issue a brochure, if faith is so much about sex. |
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| Riverwide | Mar 14 2013, 03:42 PM Post #39 |
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| Pera | Mar 14 2013, 05:22 PM Post #40 |
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