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Why feminism is crap
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Feb 20 2018, 06:16 PM
The problem is "on behalf of women's rights and interests". This is the indirect cause of female supremacists.
In some parts of the world though, women are genuinely oppressed, such as Saudi Arabia.
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And in other parts of the world female are being superior.
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Feb 20 2018, 08:53 PM
And in other parts of the world female are being superior.
Like Hong Kong? What, do you feel uncomfortable going out into the streets thinking a woman will molest you?
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Is feminism some abstract political position that will make females politically superior of will it stop male dominated societies from future denials and abuses endured by females?
It's supposed to fight gender inequality.
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan
Feb 20 2018, 06:16 PM
The problem is "on behalf of women's rights and interests". This is the indirect cause of female supremacists.
Take a dictionary definition as seriously as you want to. Next time you're in class, ask your teacher why you're not using a dictionary to become more educated on what you're currently studying. I'm sure you'll get an interesting answer.

No, this is not the "indirect cause" of female supremacists. Seeking rights and pursuing interests has nothing to do with supremacist views. You see, if you think men are "opressed", you probably think it's fair for them to seek their rights and pursue their interests. Wouldn't that be "the indirect cause of male supremacists", if we are to follow your logic?
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan
Feb 20 2018, 08:53 PM
And in other parts of the world female are being superior.
In which way are they superior?
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last time i was in hong kong women were almost chattel. as were most female children.
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Soopairik
Feb 20 2018, 07:55 PM
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan
Feb 20 2018, 06:16 PM
The problem is "on behalf of women's rights and interests". This is the indirect cause of female supremacists.
In some parts of the world though, women are genuinely oppressed, such as Saudi Arabia.
Well, if you call yourself an "egalitarian" and define it as equal rights for everyone, how does that make you any less able to fight discrimination against women?
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Feb 21 2018, 01:32 PM
Soopairik
Feb 20 2018, 07:55 PM
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan
Feb 20 2018, 06:16 PM
The problem is "on behalf of women's rights and interests". This is the indirect cause of female supremacists.
In some parts of the world though, women are genuinely oppressed, such as Saudi Arabia.
Well, if you call yourself an "egalitarian" and define it as equal rights for everyone, how does that make you any less able to fight discrimination against women?
It doesn't. Some just prefer to be called feminists.
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Here's the list of all things "egalitarians" have accomplished as an actual movement:
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Feb 23 2018, 09:44 AM
Here's the list of all things "egalitarians" have accomplished as an actual movement:
Nothing?
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Feb 23 2018, 10:30 AM
Eagle
Feb 23 2018, 09:44 AM
Here's the list of all things "egalitarians" have accomplished as an actual movement:
Nothing?
Exactly.

The truth is, "gender egalitarians" are nothing but confused feminists who don't know enough about feminism, or just don't like the label, so they make things up. Any true "egalitarian" is still a feminist, whether they like it or not, so the term "egalitarian" is useless.
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I think many people don't want to call themselves feminists due to the bait-and-switch tactics associated with this label (you for example hear people saying stuff like "A true feminist is against prostitution").
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Jinfengopteryx
Feb 24 2018, 03:02 AM
I think many people don't want to call themselves feminists due to the bait-and-switch tactics associated with this label (you for example hear people saying stuff like "A true feminist is against prostitution").
There are male prostitutes too.
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Feminism is stupid and getting out of hand. First off women tend to use impressions were men are abusing them in many ways and try to convience the politics that women are always the victims and should have rights over men. Female News Repoters often use Feminsim agianst men to also convience the politics that men are taking over in the politics.
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Feb 24 2018, 03:08 PM
Feminism is stupid and getting out of hand. First off women tend to use impressions were men are abusing them in many ways and try to convience the politics that women are always the victims and should have rights over men. Female News Repoters often use Feminsim agianst men to also convience the politics that men are taking over in the politics.
... What? Er... evidence?
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I don’t think feminism is SO bad, at least when you keep it equal between both sexes. If you’re trying to give women more rights then men then I strongly disagree with that. But when it’s peaceful and just for equality, I don’t find much wrong with it.
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Soopairik
Feb 24 2018, 09:34 AM
Jinfengopteryx
Feb 24 2018, 03:02 AM
I think many people don't want to call themselves feminists due to the bait-and-switch tactics associated with this label (you for example hear people saying stuff like "A true feminist is against prostitution").
There are male prostitutes too.
That was not the point. The point was that the label "feminist" carries a lot of ideological baggage which is why many people who are "pro gender equality" refuse to call themselves that way.
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Jinfengopteryx
Feb 24 2018, 03:02 AM
I think many people don't want to call themselves feminists due to the bait-and-switch tactics associated with this label (you for example hear people saying stuff like "A true feminist is against prostitution").
This is a stupid reason to avoid a label.
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First off women tend to use impressions were men are abusing them in many ways
Are they not abused?
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and try to convience the politics that women are always the victims and should have rights over men
No, this is NOT what happens. Educate yourself.
STHOMPol
Feb 24 2018, 09:12 PM
I don’t think feminism is SO bad, at least when you keep it equal between both sexes.
This is what feminism is ALL about.

The other phenomenon you're describing is called "female supremacism".
Jinfengopteryx
Feb 25 2018, 04:37 AM
the label "feminist" carries a lot of ideological baggage
No, it does not. Feminists can only do one of two things: lie, or tell the truth about the movement they follow, whether intentionally or not. Whenever they say something about feminism that's untrue, that statement simply does not apply to feminism, period.

The only "ideological baggage" carried by feminism is that of its own definition and all implications that come with it.
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Feb 25 2018, 03:30 PM
Jinfengopteryx
Feb 24 2018, 03:02 AM
I think many people don't want to call themselves feminists due to the bait-and-switch tactics associated with this label (you for example hear people saying stuff like "A true feminist is against prostitution").
This is a stupid reason to avoid a label.
Jinfengopteryx
Feb 25 2018, 04:37 AM
the label "feminist" carries a lot of ideological baggage
No, it does not. Feminists can only do one of two things: lie, or tell the truth about the movement they follow, whether intentionally or not. Whenever they say something about feminism that's untrue, that statement simply does not apply to feminism, period.

The only "ideological baggage" carried by feminism is that of its own definition and all implications that come with it.
The definition of a word stems from how it is used and what people connote with it. After all, those who make dictionaries are little more than historians of language who write down definitions on the basis of what I have mentioned. So, connotations cannot be argued. If you call yourself a feminist, you are associating yourself with a certain group, whether you like it or not.

And even if all people who claim to support gender equality (let's forget that people have different notions of "equality" for a moment) called themselves feminists, how would that move the whole anti-feminism vs feminism debate one step further? If Sargon of Akkad and thunderf00t called themselves feminists, would they start believing in male privilege or the gender pay gap? What political views would they changed? This debate about definitions is meaningless.
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Feminism is just cheap and needs to be banned for their discrimnation agianst men.
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Ferreomus
Mar 1 2018, 10:40 AM
Feminism is just cheap and needs to be banned for their discrimnation agianst men.
Feminism is for equality of both genders through women’s interests. Not too sure how that’s being discriminative, when men can also support feminism.
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The definition of a word stems from how it is used and what people connote with it.
Yet this hasn't happened to feminism. If you're a female supremacist who believes you're a feminist, you're not only wrong, but also very uneducated.
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And even if all people who claim to support gender equality (let's forget that people have different notions of "equality" for a moment) called themselves feminists, how would that move the whole anti-feminism vs feminism debate one step further?
There'd be a good amount less of idiots who think female supremacism and feminism are the same thing.
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If Sargon of Akkad and thunderf00t called themselves feminists, would they start believing in male privilege or the gender pay gap?
No, because labeling yourself a feminist won't make you one, as much as avoiding the label is pointless. It's about what you believe in.
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Even if we define feminism as "seeking gender equality", we still struggle with the problem that "equality" is very much a buzzword and what exactly you mean by "equality" strongly depends on your ideology.
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Jinfengopteryx
Mar 4 2018, 02:58 PM
Even if we define feminism as "seeking gender equality", we still struggle with the problem that "equality" is very much a buzzword and what exactly you mean by "equality" strongly depends on your ideology.
Indeed, many words have lost their "meaning" since so many people use it out of context.
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Mar 4 2018, 03:00 PM
Jinfengopteryx
Mar 4 2018, 02:58 PM
Even if we define feminism as "seeking gender equality", we still struggle with the problem that "equality" is very much a buzzword and what exactly you mean by "equality" strongly depends on your ideology.
Indeed, many words have lost their "meaning" since so many people use it out of context.
This is something that Thomas Sowell pointed out in his book A Conflict of Visions. He divided the world into "utopians" and "tragedians" and noted that critical words like "rights", "freedom" and "equality" are defined differently by both camps.
Specifically, utopians understand equality as equity (equal chances for everyone), while tragedians view equality as a state of affairs where the state neither favours, nor discriminates against anyone.
For this reason, it is highly problematic to describe your ideology in terms of "I am for freedom" or "I am for equality".
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Feminism was once a term that meant giving women equal power and rights to men. Now, times have changes and the meaning has been distorted since, to the point it just gives them power over all men and think they're all scum. Also, "feminazi". Need I say more?
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Mar 4 2018, 11:17 PM
Feminism was once a term that meant giving women equal power and rights to men. Now, times have changes and the meaning has been distorted since, to the point it just gives them power over all men and think they're all scum. Also, "feminazi". Need I say more?
The term was distorted by the far right, and is often used out of context only by the far right. “Feminazis” would be called Female Supremacists and should not be confused with actual feminists.
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@Eagle
What do you think of videos like this?
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Still can’t tell what political alignment Shoe is. My best guess is center right.
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She seems to be a typical "skeptic". Though judging from her RationalWiki article, she is quite a bit more centrist than most of her fellow anti-feminists:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Shoe0nHead
The line "if you've listened to any other anti-feminist, you've already listened to Lapine's arguments" is quite fitting.
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She is indeed more centrist, and occasionally does make good points in her video, though she sometimes exaggerates a point.
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