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| Topic Started: Feb 22 2018, 03:27 PM (237 Views) | |
| Soopairik | Feb 22 2018, 03:27 PM Post #1 |
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Supporters say it is freedom of speech. Opponents say it is betraying your country. What is your stance? |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Feb 23 2018, 01:29 AM Post #2 |
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I am no big fan of concepts like "country traitor", as they can be used to silence any form of harsh criticism towards one's country, so I think it has to be endured. |
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| Eagle | Feb 23 2018, 09:35 AM Post #3 |
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Should burning random tissue be illegal? |
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| Soopairik | Feb 23 2018, 10:29 AM Post #4 |
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The point is, a country flag is not a random tissue. Nationalists will say things like “I fought for that flag so it holds great value to me.” |
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| Eagle | Feb 23 2018, 10:52 AM Post #5 |
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People who say that are stupid. They didn't fight for the flag (unless they're really that weird), they fought for the lives of people. The flag is nothing but a tissue. Who, in their right mind, actually cares? |
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| Soopairik | Feb 23 2018, 11:49 AM Post #6 |
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“The flag is a symbol of justice and honor. When you burn it, you are destroying justice!” Funny how nationalists want freedom of speech as long as it doesn’t interfere with their own political agenda. Edited by Soopairik, Feb 23 2018, 11:49 AM.
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| Eagle | Feb 23 2018, 03:36 PM Post #7 |
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They want their freedom of speech. It's different. |
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| Kyng | Feb 23 2018, 03:39 PM Post #8 |
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Of course not. Nobody fought and died for the flag; they fought and died for the ideals it represents, including freedom of expression. |
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Feb 23 2018, 11:27 PM Post #9 |
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Burn the Chinese flag. |
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| Soopairik | Feb 24 2018, 01:12 AM Post #10 |
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You didn’t even directly address the actual question. Should burning Hong Kong’s flag be illegal or not, yes or no? I know HK is not an actual country but it’s a SAR. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Feb 24 2018, 02:39 AM Post #11 |
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If you ask me, imprisoning them for that implies insecurity And generally, "it offended me" is about the worst forms of argument for restricting freedom of speech. That applies for both, offended religious and offended nationalist feelings. |
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| Xanny | Feb 24 2018, 02:54 PM Post #12 |
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No, the ideal of the nation state in itself is something worthy of criticism let alone individual countries and the denial of expressing both the condemnation of a nation or the nation state itself is repressive. |
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Feb 24 2018, 03:44 PM Post #13 |
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No. The Hong Kong SAR flag still represents the puppet government of China. |
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| Soopairik | Feb 24 2018, 03:47 PM Post #14 |
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Why should burning the HK flag be illegal? |
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| STHOMPol | Feb 24 2018, 07:17 PM Post #15 |
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I mean, you should be free to support any country you want, even if that’s not your native country, but are you talking in PUBLIC burning your country's flag or privately? |
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| Soopairik | Feb 24 2018, 07:20 PM Post #16 |
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Public. |
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| STHOMPol | Feb 24 2018, 07:22 PM Post #17 |
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I guess others would find it rude, probably be mad at you or something. But if that’s what you REALLY think of your country, then yea, you should be able to do it, but you should also be aware of the consequences. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Feb 25 2018, 04:43 AM Post #18 |
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What consequences? Legal ones or lynch mobs? My view of freedom of speech is that either you can endure opinions which you utterly despise and fight them in peaceful ways or you are against it. |
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Feb 25 2018, 05:40 AM Post #19 |
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I never said so. |
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| STHOMPol | Feb 25 2018, 11:24 AM Post #20 |
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Lynch mobs. Not legal ones. But, for an example of legal consequences.. You shouldn't do it on private property, which WILL have legal consequence, but other than that, lynch mobs will arise and probably try to hurt you. |
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| Pliosaurus | Feb 25 2018, 12:00 PM Post #21 |
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I don't really know |
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| STHOMPol | Feb 25 2018, 01:01 PM Post #22 |
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10/10 response here folks |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Feb 26 2018, 02:52 PM Post #23 |
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While I agree that you should be aware of consequences, I don't think it is relevant in a discussion about legality. |
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Feb 27 2018, 02:49 AM Post #24 |
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I agree with STHOMPol that there are consequences that are not relevant about legality, but I agree with Jinfengopteryx that it's irrelevant. |
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| Xyskal | Feb 28 2018, 02:26 PM Post #25 |
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I’d say it should be illegal, if only because publicly burning things is dangerous, and someone could easily get hurt or cause major property damage doing it. Privately burning said flag, or taking the necessary precautions to not destroy anything beyond that flag should be legal though. A country shouldn’t put it’s own ego above its citizen’s right to freedom of speech. Edited by Xyskal, Feb 28 2018, 02:28 PM.
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| Soopairik | Feb 28 2018, 03:32 PM Post #26 |
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So what if people don't burn it in public, they just rip it or something? That would be fine? |
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| Delver | Mar 1 2018, 01:13 PM Post #27 |
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Yes as why in the world would you ever burn your countries flag? If you do your rebelling and you might as well have another crime as your probably doing even more illegal things. |
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| Soopairik | Mar 1 2018, 01:16 PM Post #28 |
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To protest. Protesting is allowed in the US, and I don't see why a person cannot burn a flag to protest. |
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| Xyskal | Mar 4 2018, 02:54 PM Post #29 |
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Yes, that should be legal. |
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| Bry89 | Mar 4 2018, 11:20 PM Post #30 |
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From my point of view, flag-burning meant a way to hate or disrespect your own country or another. I mean, I recall them people over at the Middle East burning the American flag at one point. Besides, would anybody feel offended if they saw their own flag be met with the flame? |
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