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Should we prevent people with a history of mental illness from owning guns?
Yes 5 (83.3%)
No 1 (16.7%)
Total Votes: 6
Should we require criminal and mental background checks for all those buying guns?
Yes 7 (100%)
No 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 7
Should we require a waiting period between purchase and possession of handguns?
Yes 3 (60%)
No 2 (40%)
Total Votes: 5
Should we fund the study of mental health and gun violence?
Yes 4 (80%)
No 1 (20%)
Total Votes: 5
Should we require gun owners to register their weapons with a national gun registry?
Yes 4 (100%)
No 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 4
Should we ban the sale of magazine clips for weapons that hold more than 10 rounds?
Yes 1 (25%)
No 3 (75%)
Total Votes: 4
Should we ban semi-automatic weapons?
Yes 1 (25%)
No 3 (75%)
Total Votes: 4
Should we station armed guards/teachers at all schools to prevent school shootings?
Yes 2 (40%)
No 3 (60%)
Total Votes: 5
Should we limit the number of firearms a person can own?
Yes 3 (50%)
No 3 (50%)
Total Votes: 6
Should we prevent people from carrying a concealed gun in public?
Yes 4 (66.7%)
No 2 (33.3%)
Total Votes: 6
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Topic Started: Feb 25 2018, 10:42 PM (422 Views)
Soopairik
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Here are the questions. Do take the polls as well.

1. Should we prevent people with a history of mental illness from owning guns?

2. Should we require criminal and mental background checks for all those buying guns?

3. Should we require a waiting period between purchase and possession of handguns?

4. Should we fund the study of mental health and gun violence?

5. Should we require gun owners to register their weapons with a national gun registry?

6. Should we ban the sale of magazine clips for weapons that hold more than 10 rounds?

7. Should we ban semi-automatic weapons?

8. Should we station armed guards/teachers at all schools to prevent school shootings?

9. Should we limit the number of firearms a person can own?

10. Should we prevent people from carrying a concealed gun in public?
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Kyng
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Yes to the first four.

On the rest, I'm either torn or haven't done enough research on the topic.
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Jinfengopteryx
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I'm unsure about 6-8 (I remember what you said about loopholes on Animalia, Soop), the rest sounds quite good.
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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. No
7. No
8. No
9. No
10. Yes
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1) Yes
2) Yes
3) No (*Background checks and all that should be done before the purchase is allowed period)
4) Yes (Not that we can't make the logical connections, but people are stupid and need to have it beaten into their heads)
5) Yes
6) No
7) No
8) Yes (Same mentality as a first responder -- the closer you are to the scene and the better equipped you are, the better you can handle it)
9) No
10) No (Definitely not. That's one of our constitutional rights guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment, thank you).
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Gun control is touchy as I am against the restriction of guns to the people, instead they should actively arm themselves.

Yet I know they won't do that in this moment so what is the point.
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Xanny
Mar 10 2018, 07:43 PM
Gun control is touchy as I am against the restriction of guns to the people, instead they should actively arm themselves.

Yet I know they won't do that in this moment so what is the point.
What can we do to prevent gun violence?
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Mar 10 2018, 07:46 PM
Xanny
Mar 10 2018, 07:43 PM
Gun control is touchy as I am against the restriction of guns to the people, instead they should actively arm themselves.

Yet I know they won't do that in this moment so what is the point.
What can we do to prevent gun violence?
Address mental health and poverty which are the leading causes of gun violence. Both issues are perpetuated by the capitalist system's alienation of being for the former and the inequalities of private property and class divisions for the latter.

Taking guns will not solve the issue. Guns are illegal in colombia without a permit and shootings are rampant.
Edited by Xanny, Mar 10 2018, 07:56 PM.
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Xanny
Mar 10 2018, 07:53 PM
Soopairik
Mar 10 2018, 07:46 PM
Xanny
Mar 10 2018, 07:43 PM
Gun control is touchy as I am against the restriction of guns to the people, instead they should actively arm themselves.

Yet I know they won't do that in this moment so what is the point.
What can we do to prevent gun violence?
Address mental health and poverty which are the leading causes of gun violence. Both issues are perpetuated by the capitalist system's alienation of being for the former and the inequalities of private property and class divisions for the latter.

Taking guns will not solve the issue. Guns are illegal in colombia without a permit and shootings are rampant.
Unfortunately poverty will never be fully solved as people are too selfish. It can be reduced, however.

People can create guns in their garage or find legal loopholes around gun laws, so clearly making gun laws banning certain types of guns won't be efficient.
What I support is banning the mentally deranged from owning guns. You can own any gun you want as long as you have proven yourself to be a sane person.

While this won't stop gun violence entirely, it can at least decrease gun violence as a whole. In several areas of the US, a person may purchase a gun without a background check or waiting period from a gun show or private dealer.
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Soopairik
Mar 10 2018, 08:01 PM
Xanny
Mar 10 2018, 07:53 PM
Soopairik
Mar 10 2018, 07:46 PM
Xanny
Mar 10 2018, 07:43 PM
Gun control is touchy as I am against the restriction of guns to the people, instead they should actively arm themselves.

Yet I know they won't do that in this moment so what is the point.
What can we do to prevent gun violence?
Address mental health and poverty which are the leading causes of gun violence. Both issues are perpetuated by the capitalist system's alienation of being for the former and the inequalities of private property and class divisions for the latter.

Taking guns will not solve the issue. Guns are illegal in colombia without a permit and shootings are rampant.
Unfortunately poverty will never be fully solved as people are too selfish. It can be reduced, however.

People can create guns in their garage or find legal loopholes around gun laws, so clearly making gun laws banning certain types of guns won't be efficient.
What I support is banning the mentally deranged from owning guns. You can own any gun you want as long as you have proven yourself to be a sane person.

While this won't stop gun violence entirely, it can at least decrease gun violence as a whole. In several areas of the US, a person may purchase a gun without a background check or waiting period from a gun show or private dealer.
The whole poverty thing is just wrong but it isn't the point of the thread.

Also the stance on "mentally derranged people" is also problematic. Anders Brevik, the Norweigan far right terrorist, who holds the high score for solo massacres in the West who killed 70+ people in Norway in 2011 was deemed sane when evaluated, similar things can be applied to the recent Nikolas Cruz. Millions upon millions of people have mental health issues and a vast majority do not dream of killing others, the problems run much deeper than what lack luster liberal regulation can fix.
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So basically what we need to do is reduce poverty, not reduce firearms?

If people aren't poor, they won't have any reason to shoot at people?
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Dionysus

There are poor people in Australia and they don't shoot children in schools.
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Dionysus
Mar 12 2018, 09:01 AM
There are poor people in Australia and they don't shoot children in schools.
Yes, people who advocate for gun control constantly bring up Australia. Though what about other countries? When the govt took the guns in those countries, did they follow the same trend as Australia?
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Pliosaurus

I believe noone but cop should have guns
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Pliosaurus
Mar 12 2018, 11:34 AM
I believe noone but cop should have guns
But why? How will regular citizens protect themselves if the police aren’t near?
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Pliosaurus

They would not need a gun if guns or other weapons were not legal
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Mar 12 2018, 02:09 PM
They would not need a gun if guns or other weapons were not legal
You think laws will stop criminals from getting guns?
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Pliosaurus

Yes because hopefully the gun stores will shut down and then how would they get them
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Mar 12 2018, 02:26 PM
Yes because hopefully the gun stores will shut down and then how would they get them
Black Market. Smuggling from other countries.
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Mar 11 2018, 12:55 PM
So basically what we need to do is reduce poverty, not reduce firearms?

If people aren't poor, they won't have any reason to shoot at people?

Majority of shootings are robberies and buglaries gone wrong so yes
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Mar 12 2018, 03:34 PM
Soopairik
Mar 11 2018, 12:55 PM
So basically what we need to do is reduce poverty, not reduce firearms?

If people aren't poor, they won't have any reason to shoot at people?

Majority of shootings are robberies and buglaries gone wrong so yes
Some people want more, even if they’re not poor. People will always want more of something.
What do you guys think about people who say anti-gun people are idiots because they are scared of inanimate objects?
Edited by Soopairik, Apr 21 2018, 12:55 PM.
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Funny, considering how deterrence is a major argument used by gun supporters. I mean, are these guys seriously suggesting that they won't be scared by someone pointing a gun at them?
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A common argument of pro-gun people is that you can never get rid of all the guns, so you should not even try.

Uh, okay? I mean, you will never be able to get rid of all the injustice and crime in the world either, are we just going to let it slide then? If gun laws are not 100% effective, we shouldn't use them? Going by that logic nearly all laws are useless.
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Mar 12 2018, 02:01 PM
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Mar 12 2018, 11:34 AM
I believe noone but cop should have guns
But why? How will regular citizens protect themselves if the police aren’t near?
You need guns to protect you from what? If a bad guy is going to rob you on the sidewalk he has his gun out and in your face prior to you knowing you're going to be robbed. How do you unholster your weapon and defend yourself?

It is stupid to think you can pull your piece and defend yourself from an assailant when the assailant has a gun on you or a knife.

Gun control regulations should be limiting civilian firearms to no more than 3 rounds If you can't hunt ducks with more than three round capacity why can you can humans with 100 round capacity?

Military designed weapons have no logical use in the hands of civilians.
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Do you think more gun control will decrease gun crime rates?
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Apr 27 2018, 08:53 AM
Do you think more gun control will decrease gun crime rates?
I think gun regulations will affect mass murders.

Gun use for crimesaganst persons ie robbery will not be lessoned. It will take 100's of years r total gun ban and rewriting the Constitution to stop all gun crimes.
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That is because the right to bear arms is heavily engrained into American culture and society, so even moderate liberals here in the US are reluctant to increase gun control.
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Under no circumstances should we allow the mentally ill to get weapons and their should be massive waiting periods.

However, though, for the sane, all guns should be allowed.
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I've been looking into concealed carry debates lately and from what I've seen, I think my stance would be somewhere in the middle, though leaning towards anti-concealed carry. In parenthesis are my own thoughts.

PROS
-Create a sense of security (Uh, okay? I'm not against carrying guns in public, but they should be publicly seen IMO. You can still have a sense of security with a noticeable gun)
-Stops a public shooting spree (same logic applies as above)

CONS
-Gives dangerous people easy access to firearms, and we won't know about it
-Increase crime. If regular citizens will be able to carry concealed guns with them, criminals will be more likely to fear for their own lives and also carry firearms.
-"The problem is the lack of guns in the hands of good people, good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns"
Hmmm... several counters here.
1. Trying to pull your gun and shoot at someone in a confusing situation such as a shooting makes you more likely to become a target of policemen
2. If you have a gun on you, the criminal will most likely target you first.
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