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How big of a crime does someone need to commit to deserve death?
Topic Started: Mar 10 2018, 07:08 PM (147 Views)
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There are people out there who support the death penalty, those who don't, and those who are somewhere in between. But there are certain things that even people on the same side can't seem to figure out.

How severe does a crime need to be in order for that criminal to receive a death penalty? Or should they always be sentenced to life in prison, no matter what?

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Xanny
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Though I am not opposed to killing I am against the idea of an authority systematically granting permission to who lives or dies.
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Xanny
Mar 10 2018, 07:40 PM
Though I am not opposed to killing I am against the idea of an authority systematically granting permission to who lives or dies.
Alright, I can understand that. But what's your personal take on it?
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Mar 10 2018, 07:43 PM
Xanny
Mar 10 2018, 07:40 PM
Though I am not opposed to killing I am against the idea of an authority systematically granting permission to who lives or dies.
Alright, I can understand that. But what's your personal take on it?
That is my personal take, such things are very situational. I am against torture but if I heard that Himmler was getting tortured I would not care.
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I am no big idea of the concept of retributive justice. As Xanny said, giving the government the permission to kill criminals opens the door to abuse.

That doesn't mean there aren't crimes that evoke such a strong negative emotional reaction in me that I don't shed a tear when the criminal gets killed (I couldn't care less about Ted Bundy's fate for example), although this depends on how much I can relate to the victims (if I had a graphic description of a murder victim's fate, I would care more than if I saw a report of mass murder in the headlines). One more reason why I think conscience is a bad judge on sentences.
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Dionysus

Why concern yourself with the question of death penalty when we tolerate the murder of children in school buildings by rapid fire military designed ammunition in 40 round magazines?
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Dionysus
Mar 12 2018, 09:10 AM
Why concern yourself with the question of death penalty when we tolerate the murder of children in school buildings by rapid fire military designed ammunition in 40 round magazines?
Those are two different topics unrelated to each other. We can care about both.
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If it's anything that's downright shocking such as what Josef Fritzel did, then the death penalty is a must.
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Dionysus

Crimes involving treason and murder against the government. Kill a law enforcement officer ride the thunderbolt. Passion murder life, murder to cover a crime get the spike.

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Mar 20 2018, 05:44 AM
Crimes involving treason and murder against the government. Kill a law enforcement officer ride the thunderbolt. Passion murder life, murder to cover a crime get the spike.

Suppose the officer himself was a criminal? Then it’s okay?
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I think that people should only be given the death penalty if the people in question are confirmed to have committed murder or something, not very professional but yeah.
Edited by Honey Badger, Mar 27 2018, 03:24 PM.
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I completely oppose the death penalty. And I've explained why in this post.
http://s15.zetaboards.com/The_Sub_Parliament/single/?p=10015870&t=10488431
Jinfengopteryx
Mar 11 2018, 07:54 AM
(if I had a graphic description of a murder victim's fate, I would care more than if I saw a report of mass murder in the headlines). One more reason why I think conscience is a bad judge on sentences.
Why is one murder a tragedy but a million to you just a statistic?
Edited by Soopairik, Apr 22 2018, 09:52 PM.
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Apr 22 2018, 09:32 PM
Jinfengopteryx
Mar 11 2018, 07:54 AM
(if I had a graphic description of a murder victim's fate, I would care more than if I saw a report of mass murder in the headlines). One more reason why I think conscience is a bad judge on sentences.
Why is one murder a tragedy but a million to you just a statistic?
I am not defending that view. I, in fact, used it as an example why relying on your conscience without reflection can be very detrimental.
I am just describing a state of mind I have which I cannot do much against (and considering there is a whole proverb dedicated to it, I'm not the only one). The evolutionary reasons should be obvious. My ancestors did not have to deal with "statistics" only with "tragedies".
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Mar 20 2018, 05:44 AM
Crimes involving treason and murder against the government.


I'd favor death for murder, unless there are extenuating circumstances, like a kid or wife killing an abusive father. Also treason. Serial rapists and child molesters/abusers should also get it.

Edited by starman, May 10 2018, 02:58 AM.
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May 10 2018, 02:14 AM
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I oppose the death penalty, and I think a good rule of thumb is 10 years in prison for every person murdered. Stephen Paddock gets 590 years in prison.
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Someone should be allowed back to society after ten years if they murder? What if it’s someone important they murder like a high ranking politician?
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I suppose one could argue that a person who commits a cold-blooded, aggravated murder - and shows no remorse or guilt in doing so - deserves the death penalty.

My reasons for opposing capital punishment under those circumstances stem from the fallibility of the courts system, and the risk of executing someone innocent.
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Kyng
May 27 2018, 09:53 AM
My reasons for opposing capital punishment under those circumstances stem from the fallibility of the courts system, and the risk of executing someone innocent.


Nowadays the risk of that isn't great since executions aren't carried out for some time after sentencing--ample time for DNA evidence to overturn a conviction.
Edited by starman, May 28 2018, 01:48 AM.
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