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| Jinfengopteryx | Apr 9 2018, 01:44 PM Post #1 |
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A thread for discussing the far right's favourite doomsday scenario. The "Islamisation" of Europe can also be discussed. Basically, non-white people and Muslims are becoming more and more common in America and Europe respectively and they mix with the native population, meaning that there will be only one race in the future. Some people find this very concerning. Since I don't think anyone of you seriously believes American or European governments have any desire to exterminate white people, we can also discuss about what you consider the most probable demographic future of Europe and the US. Will white people or Christians ever become the minority and people of color and Muslims the majority? Will white people go extinct one day due to everyone mixing? If so, how will this change society? Will Western society as we know it collapse? What are the odds that any European country becomes an Islamic theocracy? And if so, what should we do to prevent this? Someone I find otherwise very reasonable claims this is at least plausible: ![]() I myself don't worry much about it. I think humanity will change in far more drastic ways through the rise of cyborgs and designer babies (once they are present, who's gonna care about race?) before any of this could happen (it would take multiple generations). Edited by Jinfengopteryx, Apr 9 2018, 01:50 PM.
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| Soopairik | Apr 9 2018, 09:40 PM Post #2 |
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Probably not anytime soon, but in the long run, maybe. I heard Islam is the fastest growing religion right now.
Yes, but so will all the other races.
Less racism. And no, I don't think so.
Isn't Albania/Bosnia already an Islamic majority country? Albania seems to be doing fine. There's not really much we can to do prevent this. |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Apr 10 2018, 02:13 AM Post #3 |
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Which still worries these sort of people as they fear that racial diversity becomes lost. If the mixing does not occur or before the mixing occurs, greater racial diversity will probably increase ethnic conflicts. They do, but most Muslim immigrants in Europe are from Arab countries which are far more fundamentalist than Albania or Bosnia. 99% of people worrying about this want to ban immigration. Some even want ethnic cleansing. |
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| Soopairik | Apr 10 2018, 02:32 PM Post #4 |
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Either way, it seems like these people are out of their minds. |
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| Honey Badger | Apr 11 2018, 05:03 PM Post #5 |
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Yeah, everyone I know who talks about it being real is joking, or else insane |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Apr 12 2018, 12:22 AM Post #6 |
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Sure, and I don't want to seriously discuss the idea if there is an International Jewish Conspiracy hell-bent on exterminating the Jews. I'm just interested in forecasting the future and I wonder how the future racial and religious make up of the world will affect it. Especially since Muslims and blacks are statistically less well educated than everyone else and if their proliferation could result in any dysgenic effects. Personally, I think whatever sort of dysgenics may affect the future will be more than overcompensated by the Flynn effect. |
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| Kyng | Apr 15 2018, 01:35 PM Post #7 |
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I'll take these questions one by one, and answer them about the United Kingdom:
The United Kingdom was 92.1% white in 2001, and 87.2% in 2011. We're going to remain majority-white at least until the later part of the 21st century (and, even then, I expect some of the "Mixed" people will self-identify as part of the "White" majority). Christianity, on the other hand, is a different story. We were 71.6% Christian in 2001, and 59.5% Christian in 2011. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK was no longer majority-Christian in the 2021 Census (and we might even be plurality non-religious in 2031: 15.5% of people answered this question with "No Religion" in 2001, and 25.7% did so in 2011). My guess - and it is just a guess - is that Christians will continue to decline decade on decade for the next 50 years or so - but then hit a hard floor when the percentage of Christians gets into the 20-30% range. As for Muslims becoming the majority, I consider it very unlikely. We were 2.7% Muslim in 2001, and 4.4% in 2011. Given that Muslim birth rates are declining here, I doubt Muslims are ever going to get much above 10% of the British population - if even that.
Possibly, but I think it'll take a very long time. (Although, I will note that, if you subscribe to the "one-drop rule", then white people are probably already extinct!!!)
Not a lot, I suspect. Skin-colour-based racism won't really be a thing any more, but I'm sure people will find something else to bicker about.
Highly doubtful, in light of the above answers.
There already was one as recently as 2000: the unrecognised Chechen Republic of Ichkeria. Anyway, there are five Muslim-majority countries in Europe: Albania, Azerbaijan, Bosnia and Herzegovina, the partially-recognised Republic of Kosovo, and Turkey. None is currently an Islamic theocracy, and Albania and Azerbaijan are quite secularized (so it seems very unlikely to me that either country would become one). Turkey has a strong secular constitution, so if any of its leaders tried to turn it into an Islamic theocracy, then I suspect the army would overthrow them. That leaves Kosovo or Bosnia and Herzegovina, both of which are in a part of the world which has historically been very unstable: I wouldn't be surprised if some jihadist movement took over there at some point. As for the countries that aren't currently Muslim-majority, Macedonia is the only one that could plausibly become Muslim-majority (it's currently about two-thirds Eastern Orthodox, one-third Sunni Muslim), in which case, what I said about Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzegovina would also apply here.
Nothing, unless this country begins to threaten our own interests. I'm certainly not in favour of wars for the purposes of "nation-building": those never seen to work. |
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| Soopairik | Apr 15 2018, 01:47 PM Post #8 |
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Do you have any links for those stats? |
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| Jinfengopteryx | Apr 15 2018, 02:11 PM Post #9 |
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(Picture link: http://www.pewforum.org/graphicsessay_pngoutput_germany_projection310px/ ) http://www.pewforum.org/essay/the-growth-of-germanys-muslim-population/?utm_content=buffer71866&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Note that Muslims make up the majority of non-whites in Germany and they are what xenophobes focus on most, so I will focus on them, too. I think something slightly above the medium scenario (11-12%) is the most realistic. 19.7% assumes an uninhibited refugee stream (which has already largely stopped!) for the next 30 years. A famous German, em, islamophobe (if you can call him that way) has claimed Germany would turn into an Islamic theocracy by the year 2040. I don't think this will ever happen, but I expect major ethnic tensions. Here are the forecasts for whole Europe: http://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/europes-growing-muslim-population/ Britain will have 9.7 - 17.2 % Muslims France: 12.7 - 18.0 % Germany: 8.7 - 19.7 % |
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| Kyng | Apr 18 2018, 10:37 AM Post #10 |
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TBH I mostly just went off the Wikipedia article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom The original source is the NOMIS site (Here for 2001, and here for 2011), but be warned that it's so detailed and so vast that it's almost impossible to find what you're looking for .
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| Jasonn | May 1 2018, 12:12 PM Post #11 |
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Well, I think we can deal with the stuff without being an ass about it - and that's what racists do. |
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