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What should we do with lazy people in society?
Topic Started: Apr 30 2018, 09:48 PM (136 Views)
Soopairik
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I assume that most people in the world are decent people who work hard. Even those who are poor work hard and try their best in life, and are decent people to talk to. But there will always be lazy people in the world. And what do we do with the lazy?

Of course, we can always ignore them. That is one solution. But are there other ways of solving the problem? Those who do not work hard, lie, cheat, steal, and do other shady things that do not contribute to the economy, should they be punished in some way, or do we simply ignore them? Some even go as far as to say we should help them. What do you guys think?
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I personally think they should be punished... by forcing them into work to see how it feels.
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The capitalist system has its methods to force such people to work. Very few people want to live on social welfare.
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Jinfengopteryx
May 1 2018, 01:31 AM
The capitalist system has its methods to force such people to work. Very few people want to live on social welfare.
What do you say to those who say many people take advantage of social welfare and like it?
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Soopairik
May 1 2018, 08:44 AM
Jinfengopteryx
May 1 2018, 01:31 AM
The capitalist system has its methods to force such people to work. Very few people want to live on social welfare.
What do you say to those who say many people take advantage of social welfare and like it?
While I'm no expert on it, I've heard that social welfare programs tend to be quite humiliating.
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This is a tough one cause personally I hate bossy self-righteous people, considering I'm often a target of them! (sometimes fairly, sometimes not) However, though, it is true some are thieves and/or lazy. I guess all we can do is just don't fall for their schemes and if they run out of enough fools, then they will fall on their own.
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Jinfengopteryx
May 1 2018, 10:50 AM

While I'm no expert on it, I've heard that social welfare programs tend to be quite humiliating.


So can a lot of jobs and bosses...Or, if not humiliating at least disgusting in some ways like having to be friendly and polite to customers or higher ups no matter how rotten or stupid.
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Jinfengopteryx
May 1 2018, 01:31 AM
The capitalist system has its methods to force such people to work. Very few people want to live on social welfare.
In my experience the lazy ones are the ones who tend to get promoted to the point they basically answer to no one and just sit around on their phones costing the company money, or hanging around trying to justify their employment simply by being present... :X

The capitalist system may be a lot of things. But it doesn't force all them to work, it forces them to find the quickest, simplest way to the top - or as you say onto social welfare. Having lazy people on either end and the real workers in the middle, and effectively at their mercy, now that's an issue.
Another thing about the capitalist system is that if you inherit enough money, you can pay people to think, act and strategise on your behalf. More laziness, even within the 1%!

But yeah. That's just one guy's experience.
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Soopairik
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And so what is your solution to the problem?
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In my experience the lazy ones are the ones who tend to get promoted to the point they basically answer to no one and just sit around on their phones costing the company money, or hanging around trying to justify their employment simply by being present... :X



But logically the capitalist system selects against companies with such wasteful practices. I don't think they're in a great position to compete.


Soopairik
May 11 2018, 06:44 AM
And so what is your solution to the problem?


Dump welfare programs. But someday we may all be "lazy people" on welfare, if machines replace human workers.
Edited by starman, May 11 2018, 06:52 AM.
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I remember a foreigner once told me in China every poor person is only given 2 years worth of welfare. After those two years are up, they are forced to be on their own. That seems more efficient than just removing them altogether.
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May 11 2018, 06:47 AM
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In my experience the lazy ones are the ones who tend to get promoted to the point they basically answer to no one and just sit around on their phones costing the company money, or hanging around trying to justify their employment simply by being present... :X



But logically the capitalist system selects against companies with such wasteful practices. I don't think they're in a great position to compete.
LOL not in my experience.
Once you're in a position where your wage is paid despite your productivity you've got it made. Bigger companies have more room for this.

The capitalist system is not this well oiled machine it's cracked up to be. Hard work and success in the context of capitalism are two very different animals.
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So you think socialism would work better? :)
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I don't know that there's a situation devoid of systemic exploitation.
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May 12 2018, 08:19 PM
I don't know that there's a situation devoid of systemic exploitation.
We need more government intervention in companies. Obviously there will always be exploitation, but with the government inspection, we can reduce it. There shouldn't be a complete control of the economy by the government, as socialism has never appeared to have worked, but a bit more of the government can help.
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Soopairik
May 13 2018, 11:35 AM
We need more government intervention in companies. Obviously there will always be exploitation, but with the government inspection, we can reduce it. There shouldn't be a complete control of the economy by the government, as socialism has never appeared to have worked, but a bit more of the government can help.


There is already plenty of government intervention such as minimum wage laws. That and other factors may have caused an exodus of manufacturing enterprises.

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May 14 2018, 03:54 AM
Soopairik
May 13 2018, 11:35 AM
We need more government intervention in companies. Obviously there will always be exploitation, but with the government inspection, we can reduce it. There shouldn't be a complete control of the economy by the government, as socialism has never appeared to have worked, but a bit more of the government can help.


There is already plenty of government intervention such as minimum wage laws. That and other factors may have caused an exodus of manufacturing enterprises.

[/quote]Clearly not enough.
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Soopairik
May 14 2018, 09:29 AM
Clearly not enough.


So you favor socialism, in effect? I like the idea of intervention, to some extent, but all too often the catch is, if you regulate a lot you may make business less profitable and without a profit motive it probably won't last long.
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May 15 2018, 05:53 AM
Soopairik
May 14 2018, 09:29 AM
Clearly not enough.


So you favor socialism, in effect? I like the idea of intervention, to some extent, but all too often the catch is, if you regulate a lot you may make business less profitable and without a profit motive it probably won't last long.
Socialism would be a complete control of the economy which I do not favor.
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Soopairik
May 15 2018, 06:30 AM
Socialism would be a complete control of the economy which I do not favor.


Unfortunately experience shows you don't have to go that far to create an exodus (or failure) of business.
Edited by starman, May 21 2018, 06:18 AM.
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