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Should a robber pay more than what they stole?
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Topic Started: May 2 2018, 11:05 AM (96 Views)
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Soopairik
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May 2 2018, 11:05 AM
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I think they should. It would prevent them from stealing again, as well as repairing damages they may have caused through stealing. It might be unfair, but hey, that’s what they get for stealing.
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May 2 2018, 12:03 PM
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I'd call it absolutely fair and a proper deterrent.
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May 2 2018, 01:43 PM
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A deserved penalty just for petty theft, so yes on that one.
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JMD
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May 4 2018, 02:27 PM
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I say no, because if they give back what's owed then that's very precise justice. The victim shouldn't victimize the robber. What if the robber was in poverty and just took some food from a refrigerator? What I'm saying is that nobody should need to pay back more than they need to, especially if the action has made the wealth of the two people balance out more.
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Soopairik
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May 4 2018, 02:43 PM
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- May 4 2018, 02:27 PM
What if the robber was in poverty and just took some food from a refrigerator? And that would make the crime acceptable?
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May 4 2018, 05:44 PM
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That's in the grey area, it'd probably depend on how much they steal and who they steal from. Ex. If a man/woman took some basic food like fruits, vegetables, and meat from a really rich person, as long as they [desperate person] don't break anything in the process I wouldn't make a fuss about it. But if a desperate person stole an entire refrigerator from the Soup Kitchen, F*** him up!
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May 4 2018, 06:56 PM
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- Makayo
- May 4 2018, 05:44 PM
That's in the grey area, it'd probably depend on how much they steal and who they steal from. Ex. If a man/woman took some basic food like fruits, vegetables, and meat from a really rich person, as long as they [desperate person] don't break anything in the process I wouldn't make a fuss about it. But if a desperate person stole an entire refrigerator from the Soup Kitchen, F*** him up! Agreed.
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May 4 2018, 07:54 PM
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- Makayo
- May 4 2018, 05:44 PM
That's in the grey area, it'd probably depend on how much they steal and who they steal from. Ex. If a man/woman took some basic food like fruits, vegetables, and meat from a really rich person, as long as they [desperate person] don't break anything in the process I wouldn't make a fuss about it. But if a desperate person stole an entire refrigerator from the Soup Kitchen, F*** him up! A crime is a crime. There is no excuse. I would be fine if that person did a victimless crime, but inthis case there is a victim. Even if the victim is not too affected, we cannot simply make excuses.
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May 5 2018, 08:26 AM
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- Soopairik
- May 4 2018, 07:54 PM
- Makayo
- May 4 2018, 05:44 PM
That's in the grey area, it'd probably depend on how much they steal and who they steal from. Ex. If a man/woman took some basic food like fruits, vegetables, and meat from a really rich person, as long as they [desperate person] don't break anything in the process I wouldn't make a fuss about it. But if a desperate person stole an entire refrigerator from the Soup Kitchen, F*** him up!
A crime is a crime. There is no excuse. I would be fine if that person did a victimless crime, but inthis case there is a victim. Even if the victim is not too affected, we cannot simply make excuses. In cases like this, the action is not a crime at all. If a poor man takes things from a rich man (as much as which makes the two become equal in wealth), it's not crime because the poor man deserves to have the scales of wealth balance out. Therefore, whatever the poor man takes is in a way "his."
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May 5 2018, 08:52 AM
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- JMD
- May 5 2018, 08:26 AM
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- May 4 2018, 07:54 PM
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- May 4 2018, 05:44 PM
That's in the grey area, it'd probably depend on how much they steal and who they steal from. Ex. If a man/woman took some basic food like fruits, vegetables, and meat from a really rich person, as long as they [desperate person] don't break anything in the process I wouldn't make a fuss about it. But if a desperate person stole an entire refrigerator from the Soup Kitchen, F*** him up!
A crime is a crime. There is no excuse. I would be fine if that person did a victimless crime, but inthis case there is a victim. Even if the victim is not too affected, we cannot simply make excuses.
In cases like this, the action is not a crime at all. If a poor man takes things from a rich man (as much as which makes the two become equal in wealth), it's not crime because the poor man deserves to have the scales of wealth balance out. Therefore, whatever the poor man takes is in a way "his." Yeah? And suppose the rich man earned his money by himself and the poor man did not? It would still be fair? Would you be okay if a poor guy stole some food from you?
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May 5 2018, 09:17 AM
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- Soopairik
- May 5 2018, 08:52 AM
- JMD
- May 5 2018, 08:26 AM
- Soopairik
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- Makayo
- May 4 2018, 05:44 PM
That's in the grey area, it'd probably depend on how much they steal and who they steal from. Ex. If a man/woman took some basic food like fruits, vegetables, and meat from a really rich person, as long as they [desperate person] don't break anything in the process I wouldn't make a fuss about it. But if a desperate person stole an entire refrigerator from the Soup Kitchen, F*** him up!
A crime is a crime. There is no excuse. I would be fine if that person did a victimless crime, but inthis case there is a victim. Even if the victim is not too affected, we cannot simply make excuses.
In cases like this, the action is not a crime at all. If a poor man takes things from a rich man (as much as which makes the two become equal in wealth), it's not crime because the poor man deserves to have the scales of wealth balance out. Therefore, whatever the poor man takes is in a way "his."
Yeah? And suppose the rich man earned his money by himself and the poor man did not? It would still be fair? Would you be okay if a poor guy stole some food from you? What if I told you... YES I've heard stories of people taking in a homeless man so they have a place to stay and then the homeless guy takes some things from the house with him. I say that's alright with me. He can take half my money for all I care.
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May 5 2018, 09:30 AM
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So it’s okay to steal from the rich, but not okay for a rich person to steal from the poor... if that was the case, what’s the point of being rich in your ideal society?
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May 5 2018, 09:34 AM
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- Soopairik
- May 5 2018, 09:30 AM
So it’s okay to steal from the rich, but not okay for a rich person to steal from the poor... if that was the case, what’s the point of being rich in your ideal society? Probably the point would be to serve society as much as yourself.
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Soopairik
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Jun 5 2018, 08:19 PM
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So it’s okay to steal from the rich, but not okay for a rich person to steal from the poor... if that was the case, what’s the point of being rich in your ideal society?
Probably the point would be to serve society as much as yourself. That's something you can do without stealing from others.
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Jun 8 2018, 01:29 PM
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I'd say it's absolutely necessary. After all, there's really no incentive to follow the law if you don't.
Let's suppose we live in a world where "you only need to pay back what you stole". Now, let's suppose I want a shiny new laptop that's selling for £1,000. Fortunately for me, I'm not exactly broke - so, I cough up the money and pay for my brand new laptop.
Now, let's suppose someone else comes along, who also wants this laptop. However, they're more selfish than I am - so, they refuse to pay for it. Instead, this person just steals the thing.
Now, under our system, what happens next? There are several possibilities:
- They don't get caught. Then, they get a laptop for free (whereas I, as an honest customer, had to pay £1,000 for mine);
- They do get caught. But, they only have to pay back what they stole, which gives them two options here. First, they could pay the £1,000 there and then - which leaves them no worse off than I was. Second, they could return the laptop - which leaves them no worse off than they were in the beginning (and they'd be free to go off to some other store and try their luck at stealing the laptop from there).
In a nutshell, the system of "you only need to pay back what you stole" creates a situation where criminals get an overall better deal than honest customers. That's clearly unacceptable.
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JMD
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Jun 8 2018, 01:42 PM
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- Soopairik
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So it’s okay to steal from the rich, but not okay for a rich person to steal from the poor... if that was the case, what’s the point of being rich in your ideal society?
Probably the point would be to serve society as much as yourself.
That's something you can do without stealing from others. Very true. I wasn't condoning that poor people should steal from the rich, I was just saying that it would be worse if a rich man stole from a poor man. @Kyng: I don't see how just returning what a person stole would make them less obedient to the law in the future. There are plenty of prisoners that, when they're released, just return to their former ways.
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