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April 04th, 2008: The Real Traitor
Topic Started: Apr 4 2008, 07:55 AM (1,620 Views)
Nick
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Earlier I chewed out Adult Swim for betraying the cause that it took over on Toonami's behalf a few years back; Bill argues that I smacked an innocent.

http://www.toonamifan.com/toonamirealtraitor.html
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Zera
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Nice Star Wars comparison. It makes sense too.
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billyarnie
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Just let you guys know, I didn't do the Ted Turner pics & captions. Nick did & it was great. I can't do screencaps, but I hope you folks think I can write a little. BTW, Nick captured the essence with his pics. Turner the man gave us Cartoon Network; Turner the company & probably Time Warner as well have ruined it, IMHO.
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billyarnie
Apr 4 2008, 02:09 PM
Just let you guys know, I didn't do the Ted Turner pics & captions.  Nick did & it was great.  I can't do screencaps, but I hope you folks think I can write a little.  BTW, Nick captured the essence with his pics.  Turner the man gave us Cartoon Network; Turner the company & probably Time Warner as well have ruined it, IMHO.

One thing I've always found cool is how Nick manages to past Youtube videos onto our articles. That never ceases to amaze me. He's just awesome in finding the right multi-media material, no matter what it is, to sprinkle into our articles.

As for your article, billyarnie, it echoes a statement Jeff Harris made some time ago: Adult Swim is not the traitor, it is just a slave to the corporate master the way Toonami is. Don't blame AS for betraying the Revolution, blame the corporate parents for forcing them to do so.
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Nick
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Thanks. :D
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libra
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as i type, i'm watching TMC, Turner Classic Movies. and everything about this channel is about classic movies. and it's always new. almost every movie gets an intro and sometimes an outro that tells of the next movie, so both are always new. and it strikes me, how on mission this channel is. it shows classic movies, and it makes it work. and if you enjoy classic movies, which TMC helped me do, you enjoy them here. you enjoy these movies being here.

JUST like we enjoyed cartoons being on CN. but then CN did something dangerous. it became Lucrative. then it became a brand to advanced. i think this happened around the time we got more commercials. now when a lucrative brand starts failing, well stop the presses and rewrite'em........

....and that i think is were CN lost it's mission. "the best place for cartoons". 24 hours of cartoons. they were going out the door, or pushed, when live action movies started appearing on CN. "but they have animation IN them" excuses, excuses. (im half inclined in pardon Roger Rabbit, HALF inclined.) but without its mission it's a shadow of its former self. it's spinal cord has been removed, and it's trying to keep itself strait.
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libra
Jul 2 2008, 12:10 AM
as i type, i'm watching TMC, Turner Classic Movies.

and it strikes me, how on mission this channel is. it shows classic movies, and it makes it work. and if you enjoy classic movies, which TMC helped me do, you enjoy them here. you enjoy these movies being here.

JUST like we enjoyed cartoons being on CN. but then CN did something dangerous. it became Lucrative. then it became a brand to advanced. i think this happened around the time we got more commercials. now when a lucrative brand starts failing, well stop the presses and rewrite'em........

....and that i think is were CN lost it's mission. "the best place for cartoons". 24 hours of cartoons. they were going out the door, or pushed, when live action movies started appearing on CN. "but they have animation IN them" excuses, excuses.

but without its mission it's a shadow of its former self. it's spinal cord has been removed, and it's trying to keep itself strait.

Thanks for the comments, libra! Hmm, how do I reply without having oral diarrhea? You make so many good points...

1) Turner Classic Movies (TCM) is now a prestige brand for Turner/Time Warner. Like you, I love the fact that movies play without commercial interruptions & that there aren't any commercials. American Movie Classics (AMC) started out like that, but as they became popular, they added commercials. Between movies, I wouldn't have a problem with. During movies took away their uniqueness & they became like any other cable channel. TCM keeps their uniqueness by not only showing uninterrupted movies, but Classics. AMC plays too many modern & recent movies; TCM knows its mission & stays on point.

2) TCM & Boomerang, Cartoon Network's sister station on digital cable/satellite, don't run commercials, so all the other Turner networks have to run ads not only to make their own money, but to help support the commercial-free networks. That includes CNN, TBS, TNT, truTV, and... oh, yeah... Cartoon Network/[adult swim] (CN/[as])!

3) I have no problem with commercials as long as they have their place & content is pretty much kept whole. There's no problem with making money, but there's something else that ties to that: Ratings! High ratings for a network & individual shows & movies mean more people are watching, which means you can charge more for the commercials. Since CN's ratings dropped & it's currently 3rd between Nick & Disney Channel, management has panicked. Because of that panic for the last several years, CN thinks they can catch up by imitating the other 2 networks. Yes, they've forgotten their mission; they think it's now boosting ratings by any means necessary. Which includes...

4) The Dreaded Live-Action. At first, I was totally against it & now, I mostly still am. If done right, live-action/animation hybrids have their place on CN. Who Framed Roger Rabbit is a prime example. Done wrong, you get Re-animated & the sequel series, Out of Jimmy's Head. As for comic book-based or "cartoonish" live-action movies, they are what's wrong with CN. Since it's too late to convince CN to scrap live-action, I'll have to be satisfied with good product. The only live-action movie I've liked so far has been Ben 10: Race Against Time. I am a fan of the original cartoon & the new sequel, so I'm biased. This could be considered hybrid because 4 of Ben's alien heroes are CGI-animated... could but not really. Again, live-action & hybrids can work on CN, IMHO, as long as they're Good!

Can CN remember its mission & be successful? Can it again become "The Best Place for Cartoons" & our Beloved Toonami "The Home of the Best Action Cartoons on the Planet"? We can only hope that management can wake up in time to understand that...
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