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Topic Started: Jun 10 2009, 11:55 PM (3,730 Views)
andwhyisit
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Is it just me or is every game from the monster raising/collecting rpg sub-genre labeled as a Pokemon clone these days? People barely say "monster raising rpg" anymore, it is just "Pokemon clone". *sigh*

It's just that I saw news about this monster raising RPG called Invisimals and every news article that talked about it threw around the phrase "Pokemon clone" like it was an actual genre.

Sorry, I needed to rant.
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Zephyr
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Hey, I wouldn't necessarily say being labeled like that is a bad thing-- I've bought several games BECAUSE they were (or appeared to be) similar to Pokemon (the one I can think of right off the top of my head is Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World), and they turned out to be actually quite enjoyable... or not, and really frustrating (in the case of, say, Digimon World Dawn. That battle system was just... really unsatisfactory, to put it nicely.)

...But, um. It's unavoidable to some degree-- Pokemon WAS a pioneer in its genre, and to this day it's the most famous of its type, so any game which revolves around collecting and raising monsters or, indeed, anything with a "gotta catch 'em all" motif will be inevitably compared to it. Just like most platformers are compared with Mario and Kirby, RPGs with Final Fantasy, etc. The best we can do is appreciate the demographic it brings us.
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Yeah, I agree with Zephyr. But still, it shouldn't be called "a Pokémon-like clone", but "a monster collecting RPG" |:
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Jun 12 2009, 05:46 AM
...But, um. It's unavoidable to some degree-- Pokemon WAS a pioneer in its genre, and to this day it's the most famous of its type, so any game which revolves around collecting and raising monsters or, indeed, anything with a "gotta catch 'em all" motif will be inevitably compared to it. Just like most platformers are compared with Mario and Kirby, RPGs with Final Fantasy, etc. The best we can do is appreciate the demographic it brings us.

True. But JPRGs aren't labeled as Final Fantasy clones or platformers as Mario clones. Any RPG fan would be fine with someone making a comparison to Final Fantasy, but label lets say "Star Ocean" as a "Final Fantasy clone" and any RPG fan would be insulted.
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It peeves me badly when I get Youtube comments that Telefang is a Pokémon ripoff, whenever I ask them if they would lump other monster-collection RPGs such as Monster Rancher / Digimon / Dragon Warrior Monsters / etc into "Pokémon ripoffs" I don't get any response ¬_¬
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Well, outside of this forum I've never really even seen the term "monster-raising RPG"... XD It's just not considered a full genre by most people I guess, since there are only a couple well-known series, mainly just Pokemon...*nod* That, and "Pokemon clone" is easier for people to type. >_> It doesn't really bother me, because it's kind of inevitable, but I know what you mean... *sigh*

Also, I have actually heard people refer to JRPGs as FF clones, so it goes all ways. XD It depends on how ignorant you want to sound about a genre that you dislike, and these games don't get that much respect, so... ):
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I think that since Pokémon pretty much popularized the monster-collecting RPG genre, it's the first game that people think of when they think of it. Because of this, when there are other monster-collecting RPGs, they are thought of as too similar to Pokémon. And the thing is, there aren't that many of them compared to some other genres, like platformers. In contrast, the platforming genre is saturated with games, that Mario doesn't stand out the same way.
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Claiming that a game is a rip-off of another game is still very insulting regardless. I feel sorry for the devs that make such beautiful games only for them to be passed off as "pokemon clones".
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andwhyisit
Jun 10 2009, 11:55 PM
Is it just me or is every game from the monster raising/collecting rpg sub-genre labeled as a Pokemon clone these days? People barely say "monster raising rpg" anymore, it is just "Pokemon clone". *sigh*

It's just that I saw news about this monster raising RPG called Invisimals and every news article that talked about it threw around the phrase "Pokemon clone" like it was an actual genre.

Sorry, I needed to rant.

That's kinda like my problem with mahou shoujo anime. EVERYONE throws around Sailor Moon like EVERY single manga or anime in the genre is just a clone of it. And people seem to be awfully cruel to Wedding Peach especially :( . I've gotton to where I like/hate SM because of it. I mean, it's like monster raising games, EVERYONE compares them to Pokemon like you said. I personally enjoy both genres very much, but it gets very annoying when EVERY TIME I saw I like Magical Girl stuff, most people are like, 'You mean Sailor Moon?' and only associate the term 'magical girl' with sailor moon, and base every MG manga or anime off that calling them 'knock-offs' I'll admit, they can get very similar to each other, but still, some are very different from Sailor Moon. Sorry for the long post, but I know what you mean, I'm going through the same thing too, sort of.

RacieB
Jun 11 2009, 05:38 PM
It peeves me badly when I get Youtube comments that Telefang is a Pokémon ripoff, whenever I ask them if they would lump other monster-collection RPGs such as Monster Rancher / Digimon / Dragon Warrior Monsters / etc into "Pokémon ripoffs" I don't get any response ¬_¬

I personally haven't posted any telefang vids yet, but I know what you mean. I've seen the exact same thing on Wedding Peach videos mainly. It's like people try to be as stupid as they can on youtube. They think their being cool or funny, but in all honesty, it's just sad. And you don't get a response because their ignorent, and don't have anything 'cool' to say back. I get annoyed just like you do about Magical Girl and Monster-Raising stuff, so your not alone.

andwhyisit
Jun 15 2009, 12:36 AM
Claiming that a game is a rip-off of another game is still very insulting regardless. I feel sorry for the devs that make such beautiful games only for them to be passed off as "pokemon clones".

Kinda like all Sanrio characters are automatically Hello Kitty. But Sanrio does it to themselves by pretty much making only HK, so I don't get as mad about that, but still upset. Sanrio really needs to make more Cinnamoroll! (The puppy in my avatar, no he's not a she or a bunny.)



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Triple posting is a bad idea. Use the preview button to turn the quoted text into
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Jun 19 2009, 03:53 PM
Triple posting is a bad idea. Use the preview button to turn the quoted text into
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tags, then you can just cut and paste quotes into one post.

Yeah, Kimbles pmed me about that. I realized it wasn't a good idea when it was too late. Sorry everyone...
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*drags topic out of the grave and casts samarecarm*

This topic is relevant to me just because monster-raising, the genre, goes a lot deeper than a lot of people think - it's a gameplay design decision first and foremost. Many racing games - NFS Carbon is a pretty egregious example - appeal to me the same way as monster-raising games because they employ similar mechanics - you maintain a stable of cars that you improve in order to compete against the cars of others. It's a car-raising game.

Branching into another genre, the first Ghost Recon game had you outfitting a team of 12-24 soldiers with equipment you purchase with your growing funds pool. After missions, every soldier you brought gets two stat points for you to distribute; after every few missions, your soldiers learn abilities that let them defy death once or extend the range of their rifle-class weapons. Soldier-raising game!

I could get into a Shin Megami Tensei rant but then I'd be here until tomorrow and I'd get temp-banned for quintuple-posting.

THESIS STATEMENT: Monster raising is a specialized instance of a specialized style of gameplay - it's going to be niche! Just keep rollin' your funk and ignore those unenlightened goons. B)

EDIT: What kind of word is "formost"? :fungus:
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andwhyisit
Jun 10 2009, 11:55 PM
Is it just me or is every game from the monster raising/collecting rpg sub-genre labeled as a Pokemon clone these days? People barely say "monster raising rpg" anymore, it is just "Pokemon clone". *sigh*

It's just that I saw news about this monster raising RPG called Invisimals and every news article that talked about it threw around the phrase "Pokemon clone" like it was an actual genre.

Sorry, I needed to rant.
That's something born from "brand loyalty". I've seen it a lot on The Escapist, IGN, Gamespot, ect. Most of those places have staff and members who grew up on Pokemon, and as a result, they see anything that could have taken some inspiration, real or imagined, from Pokemon, as a clone.

I own Invizimals right now, have the sequel reserved for Day 1 pickup, and when I was demoing it inside my local Gamestop for any potential buyers, that was one of the responses I heard from a parent. "Oh, is it like Pokemon?"

It drives me nuts too, that people use a phrase like that to overlook games and series that could in fact be good. I've found some of my all time favorite games that way, by throwing caution to the wind and grabbing an item to try that I thought was cool.

Still, if you hear that "clone" phrase, here's a response I've tried before that sometimes works. "Can you tell me how it's a clone beyond having a collection of monsters?"
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I'd heard about a talking from the creator of "Medabots".
After Pokemon, her members were ordered by their boss as "Make a Pokemon clone!"
They obeyed to that exactly.
However, somehow her co-worker, a one of the planner put his taste into the works too much.
It made another co-worker angry, and that guy just did as totally his mate wanted."Let it go"
Then, "Medabots" were born.
People said them. "It's Pokemon clone."
They answered "Oh, yes. We tried to make that kind of thing.(at first)"

They all knew Pokemon have big influence on them.
They didn't make that if Pokemon was not exist.
They admitted it by themselves.
I guess the "clone" is the start-line, isn't it?

In Japan, DQ(DragonWarrior)-type, FF-type RPGs were normal labels for JRPGs.
(The differences are battle screen was front or side-viewing.
Recently, both aren't limited that way. so we didn't use that type-name so much.)
Rogue-type for mystery dungeons, Wiz(Wizardry)-type for 3D
and I don't know how to call it English but SimulationRPGs are called "スパロボ"(SuperRobotWars)-type

It's just as like that. Water-type, or Grass-type Pokemon. That was not all the stats.
And if the label isn't exist yet, it mean that there are a risk of anyone won't buy the game.
If there is a Star-type Pokemon now, are you use it?
It could be only strong to Bug-type, perhaps weak to Water&Psychic-type. we don't know.
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Very interesting! I think it's probably safe to say that the monster-raising genre came as a combination of virtual pets and RPG elements, Pokémon just happens to be the most well-known so "Pokémon-clone" is what people think of. A lot of monster-raising games stray pretty far from that formula however (Monster Rancher, for example.)
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To be honest, most of frenches and swiss people don't know anything about Telefang 1 and 2, and the majority of the very few peoples who knows about it knows only the bootlegg Diamond version, and think that this game is a bad copy of pokémon-games which is very annoying and make me sad.

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andwhyisit
Jun 10 2009, 11:55 PM
Is it just me or is every game from the monster raising/collecting rpg sub-genre labeled as a Pokemon clone these days? People barely say "monster raising rpg" anymore, it is just "Pokemon clone". *sigh*

It's just that I saw news about this monster raising RPG called Invisimals and every news article that talked about it threw around the phrase "Pokemon clone" like it was an actual genre.

Sorry, I needed to rant.

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That's something born from "brand loyalty". I've seen it a lot on The Escapist, IGN, Gamespot, ect. Most of those places have staff and members who grew up on Pokemon, and as a result, they see anything that could have taken some inspiration, real or imagined, from Pokemon, as a clone.


That is sűrely the same for some frenches websites like "Jeuxvidéo.com" and others...
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