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Tony Blairs going today; what do you think of it?
Topic Started: Jun 26 2007, 11:18 PM (406 Views)
TwoTailedWanderer
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lol...well I dunno much bout what goes on in England so I really only judged on his actions concerning Iraq...lol...not very wise, but meh...
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I think both Bush and Blair are the worlds biggest idiots equally.Also cutting off relation ship with us will crumble alot of things.Do not forget who stopped you guys from being ruled by Germany.I do not know much about Blair sense I am not from the UK , but what I have heard he is a horrible leader , and needs to leave.
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Scarlet
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seargent tails
Jun 27 2007, 05:42 PM
I think both Bush and Blair are the worldss biggest idiots equally.Also cutting off relation ship with us will crumble alot of things.Do not forget who stopped you guys from being ruled by Germany.I do not know much about Blair sense I am not from the UK , but what I have heard he is a horrible leader , and needs to leave.

Bush and Blair are not idiots. It's dumb when people say that. Bush went to Yale, a prestige school here in the US. I'm not sure about Blair, but he had to have some intelligence to get this far.

They're not stupid, they're justm uddled
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TwoTailedWanderer
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Bush didn't got to that school for his brains there sweetie...he went cus his daddy was a president, and had some money...

and the whole U.S helping England....Germany shizz...we done stated that in this discussion...if you are gonna join plz read the whole thing and not just skim...

Close you eyes, take a deep breath, and the ask yourself on simple question, "Is where I am where I should be?"

I pick myself up from the fall to be knocked back down, though I know one day when I get back up there will be nothing left to knock me down. The question is simply this, "Will there be anything left of me?"

Leave me the reins and I'll steer myself to infinty, I've sold my soul to darker side of divinty. I've prayed with the wicked and danced with the damned, but in the end it's all in your hand. Tell me how you lead the lamb astray, searching for somethign in the shadow of the day. I sang, I danced, and laughed, and played. Broken and beaten as my spirit would fade. take my gun, take my knife, but please if you could only just spare me my life? I wasted my time and mispronounced the line, you sold away my soul on the edge of a dime. <-------( random ryhming I just made up of the top of my head. )

Father touched you with the hand of god. He's gripping tighter saying, "You will burn in hell they say, you will burn in hell!"
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Edwardvs Rex
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well, Brown won't last long as he wasn't voted in, he just took over Blair (Here in England we vote for the party and not the person, so if we vote for the Labour party back in 1997 we have the party's leader Tony Blair as PM. This is how come Brown became PM, because he was second in command and so became leader of the party when Blair resigned). Because we didn't vote for him he won't last too long as people want to vote in the Conservative party (the Capitalists) as the people are fed up of a wellfare state which the Labour party offers and are also fed up with the more-or-less Communist style of life we live.

His promise was so gay, he said "My promise is a phrase which was my school moto: I will try my utmost." I hope when he fails and is voted out some one goes "did you try your utmost?!" lol.

seargent tails: don't even get me started on the WWI and II stuff because I get soooo annoyed with US people saying "we saved your butts in WWI and II" because yes you fought, but joining up for the last few months and then saying how US lost loads of men fighting is a complete p*ss-take. For the reason that we Brits and over half the world had been fighting since the years 1914-1918. Britain alone had lost 2 million men throughout the 4 years (not including the empire), whereas US lost about 200,000 men and start mourning like crazy and they were only fighting bettween 1917-1918. Yet the American President, Woodrow Wilson expects all the glory for "saving us".

Even worse is that Roosevelt expects Britain with now a relatively small empire (weakened in WWI), a lacking male population (died in WWI), citizens still in mourn for the victims of WWI, Boar war and the Titanic and not to mention we were still recovering from the reprocussions of the abdication crisis of 1936 (King Edward VIII/Duke of Windsor (as called after he abdicated the throne)) to fight off Nazis and is reluctant to help. He only joins US in WWII when Pearl Harbour gets bombed in 1942 (america fought 1942 -1945. The rest of the world was 1939-1945). Even then the US is only really focusing on "teaching Japan a lesson" rather than fighting the Nazis in Europe. So I conclude with, US have my gratitude for helping out and I recognise you getting us out of a tight situation which could of spelt doom. But expecting everyones eternal gratitude is wrong and completely ignorant.

I'm sorry if this post offends people especially US people, but I get annoyed with historical facts which are bent by idiots who don't think about what really happened. I'm saying sorry to all Americans reading this (Scarlet, TMP, Zamou etc.)
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Well, we don't like to go to war. In WWI, we wanted to stay out of war as much as possible, but we got pulled in through threats. The Allies really needed the troops too, despite how small it may have been, and we began winning once the US joined. Wilson wanted peace and was the only one of the Allies that didn't want to kill Germany over it and submit to selfish reasons.

In WWII, we similarly didn't want to get into a European war. We were still in a depression ourselves and equally unfit for war. Japan triggered our entry and we stated we would fight the European front first, which we did. And before we entered, we supported Britain through supplies and money. Our generals were a big help with operations like D-Day and attacking Italy.

We're not here to always get involved with Europe's problems either...
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4 of my ancestors did not die, for USA citizens to say they won the war.

No one won the war everyone lost, too many men and women died in that war to gloat a stupid victory.
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Well, we don't like to go to war. In WWI, we wanted to stay out of war as much as possible, but we got pulled in through threats. The Allies really needed the troops too, despite how small it may have been, and we began winning once the US joined. Wilson wanted peace and was the only one of the Allies that didn't want to kill Germany over it and submit to selfish reasons.

In WWII, we similarly didn't want to get into a European war. We were still in a depression ourselves and equally unfit for war. Japan triggered our entry and we stated we would fight the European front first, which we did. And before we entered, we supported Britain through supplies and money. Our generals were a big help with operations like D-Day and attacking Italy.

We're not here to always get involved with Europe's problems either...
Admittedly the US helped a bit, but the bit about not wanting to get into the war isn't necessarily true. From what I know, the US army did not join the war for the same reason the British did (to defend other countries), but rather because they wanted to be in the action when they realised the Allies would win, and because they hated Japan.

And as for not wanting to go to war, how come your people voted in George Bush I've-forgotten-how-many-times?
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Jun 28 2007, 08:05 PM
Well, we don't like to go to war. In WWI, we wanted to stay out of war as much as possible, but we got pulled in through threats. The Allies really needed the troops too, despite how small it may have been, and we began winning once the US joined. Wilson wanted peace and was the only one of the Allies that didn't want to kill Germany over it and submit to selfish reasons.

In WWII, we similarly didn't want to get into a European war. We were still in a depression ourselves and equally unfit for war. Japan triggered our entry and we stated we would fight the European front first, which we did. And before we entered, we supported Britain through supplies and money. Our generals were a big help with operations like D-Day and attacking Italy.

We're not here to always get involved with Europe's problems either...

What I am saying is that I am pleased that America joined WWI and II as they helped out emensly, I cannot deny. But I am also saying that today's US citizens seem to think that America should take all the credit for winning the wars. All because they surprised attacked a load of Germans in 1917 (as it was unknown of their participation). I think it is wrong that they only fought for a few months and so in my eyes are not worthy of the whole world's eternal devotion to fight in conflicts which they get stuck in *cough* Iraq *cough*.

It annoys me as I can see that it will be an excuse for a future war of serious calibur to get a few countries to help them (America helps Britain in 2 wars, so England help America in 2 wars).

Plus: America were illeagaly supplying Britain with (what was considered in WWI) weapons of mass destruction. Germany had this idea and blew up a passenger ship with weapons on board on a hunch. The ship went sky-high and so showed that weapons were on board thus proving Germany correct. America then joined WWI.

Gale: Thankyou for helping me get my point across, it is true what you said.
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Good to hear that Tony Blair has given up his position, as most British hated his poor leadership and his partnership with George Bush (infact some just called him "Bush's lapdog"). I hope whoever replaces him does a better job for leading the UK.
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Scarlet
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They did blow up a ship importing weapons illegally, but that was us trying to help. We didn't go to war because of that ship, either. It took us 2 more years to do it...

It's all the political leader's, really. They're the ones who think this stuff so they can get what they want. You should say BUSH uses that excuse, not the US itself.

And actually, Kilo, most English/British people LIKED Blair. Under Blair, the UK's economy began to rise and things have been beautiful compared to what they were before Blair. Blair invested money into education and kept the UK in stable peace with situations like in Northern Ireland. Because of Blair, the UK is the most stable economy in Europe.

So, what's wrong with Blair again? ^^
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Jun 28 2007, 08:53 PM
America were illegally supplying Britain with (what was considered in WWI) weapons of mass destruction.

Scarlet you should of read the comment in the brackets.
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Scarlet
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I'm not a good reader... I got rid of that statement of my own...
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Jun 29 2007, 01:04 PM
They did blow up a ship importing weapons illegally, but that was us trying to help. We didn't go to war because of that ship, either. It took us 2 more years to do it...

It's all the political leader's, really. They're the ones who think this stuff so they can get what they want. You should say BUSH uses that excuse, not the US itself.

And actually, Kilo, most English/British people LIKED Blair. Under Blair, the UK's economy began to rise and things have been beautiful compared to what they were before Blair. Blair invested money into education and kept the UK in stable peace with situations like in Northern Ireland. Because of Blair, the UK is the most stable economy in Europe.

So, what's wrong with Blair again? ^^

actually Kilo was correct, Blair was HATED! Many complained about him because of the war in Iraq. Please read my posts and don't skim through them Scarlet.

I saw on the news footage of Blair leaving 10 Downing Street (place where all PMs lived) people were swearing at him and shouting other messages of hate. One woman said "I know it sounds bad but I hate the man! And I don't even know him!" Loads of people held signs stating "NO MORE WAR, BLAIR!" (noone likes the war, even today in the newspaper, more British victims were named). Another woman tried to stop Blairs car by standing in front of it, she was seen being draged off by two policemen (literally, dragged by the arms and her knees being dragged along the pavement) while shoting "you deserve all that comes to you! You don't deserve to live! F*CK YOU!" Lots of people chased the car as it passed the streets of London. The car was literally chased. So in conclusion to your statement of everyone liking Blair, you are wrong he was hated beyond belief. True the econamy did do well in the beginning but the war in Iraq crushed his popularity to the extent of which death threats have come to him. The same will happen to Bush.

If you actually read Scarlet I was talking about individual US citizens aswell i.e Seargent Tails when he said "We saved you in WWII". I hear it everywhere here on the TTFF it offends me as it is historically incorrect and is a p*ss take. It became even worse for me when you said "US don't want war" even though Iraq is going on and the people voted Bush back in, I am not looking for a flame-war (heh... irony), that is my opinion and you can't change it... ever. When I say it will be used as an excuse for another war with UK on US's side I am talking about Bush, okay? ;)
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Online, no one has complained about Blair from the UK. I read through comments and most seemed to like his stay, getting around the war issue. You're only judging him on the war and nothing else.

I've never heard people say that out loud. I don't think it's a legit excuse at all, myself. And none of us want war. Back then in the World War, it was for sure we wanted to stay away. Right now, it's the same, except for the president. When we reelected him 2004, we weren't as deep or unsure about it, and other issues domestically got Bush back up. Right now, you can be sure we don't want war
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