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| Arcadia | Jun 4 2015, 02:34 PM Post #1 |
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I think this Act is necessary to clear up the debate over MoRP and MoC powers. My intent here is to clearly define what the two roles do and how their powers relate to one another. |
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| Herargon | Jun 4 2015, 04:07 PM Post #2 |
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Comments about... Article 1 What does ''They'' in 1.4) refer to? It may be a bit vague, since there is talked about ''the minister'', thus saying ONE minister. But which minister? That of RP? Internal Affairs? What exactly, if I may ask. Article 2 Furthermore, what is meant with 2.2b) ''The regulation of geographical features and matters''? I personally think it is quite clear what that does involve, but it isn't specified more. What are geographical features and matters? Moons, volcanoes, continents, or just landmarks like mountains and lakes? Where does it begin and end? Also, since there is a minister of ''Engagement & Interior'' (which does sound like he has something to do with internal affairs), and since the minister of RP may involve in a nation's RP and thus also internal affairs, it is time for a proposal within a proposal: I would like to propose that we expand this proposal-act into a bigger one that describes and specifies the roles of every minister and such (maybe the Vice-President and/or President too) a bit more clear. That would make tasks for each minister easier to fullfill, since everybody then would have her/his own role and knows what to do. There would be less confusion, too. ![]() Article 3 Most of this article looks good in my opinion. However, it may be better to replace the word ''Ministerial'' with ''Government''. Or to add ''and/or (Vice-)Presidential'' behind the word ''Ministerial''. That way, the (Vice-)President neither can't abuse his power legally, since he/she would then be charged for corruption too. Personal, overall opinion: The act is thought out. However, there are a few points that may need attention to flesh the act out a bit more. I won't approve nor disapprove it yet. Edited by Herargon, Jun 4 2015, 04:08 PM.
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| 46566 | Jun 4 2015, 04:15 PM Post #3 |
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I don't mind it. Though i do question why would the minister of Cartography need the following power? 3) The regulation of non-extant or fictional non-sentient species. It should stay with the Minister of RP and/or the RPMT. |
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| Charlie T. O. Jones | Jun 4 2015, 04:20 PM Post #4 |
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I agree with 46566. This is nothing against you Prime, it's just that I feel that one office should not have too much power, and 2.2.3 clashes with 1.2.5; |
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| Saratoga | Jun 4 2015, 04:33 PM Post #5 |
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I like the legislation as is. Yes the Minister of Cartographer has a lot of power but it all can be checked and balanced by the RPMT. |
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| New Zaphirite Empire | Jun 4 2015, 04:38 PM Post #6 |
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I agree with Saratoga on this one. It's all going to be under the purview of the RPMT, so it isn't as large of a problem i think some of us think it is. |
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| Onza | Jun 4 2015, 04:47 PM Post #7 |
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It's unfortunate that this act is necessary, as it indicates a lack of trust that exists. Nonetheless, I commend you, Prime, for taking the initiative to compose this legislation in an effort to be fair. With that being said, I think that the legislation is good as it is. When it comes to the introduction and regulation of species, I could maybe see where the concern would come from if Prime would introduce without the consent of the population. However, if he were to introduce an unpopular species, most nations would not acknowledge it in the RP until the RPMT removes it, effectively nullifying any chance that Prime could cause serious harm if he even wanted to (he doesn't). I think there's a bit of fear over something that's senseless. Realistically, Prime only has the power to enable, not disable. It's not like if he introduces killer birds, we all have to suddenly RP killer bird attacks in our nations. In fact, if you don't like killer birds, and the rest of the region does, you STILL don't have to even acknowledge their existence. It's all about what you actually do. Here's a more realistic example. My nation, Onza, has always been a nation of extreme weather. It's primarily a desert nation, but there are some snow-capped mountains in there with tundra. This is unrealistic given the map, but unless I was at war with a nation and I claimed that these mountains slowed their armies down, nobody - especially not Prime - is going to mind if I go on claiming this type of terrain so long as I don't use that to my advantage. I think Prime's intentions are sometimes misunderstood. With that being said, I still see where Croxoco and 46566 are coming from, but that doesn't mean I necessarily agree with them. I hope this cleared things up a bit. Don't get so strung out over what somebody can do. As Founder, I have the gameside power to eject everybody in the region. However, I would never do this. I will vouch for Prime in saying that he is as integral as I am - so if you trust me as Founder with these powers, I guarantee you that you can trust Prime as EC, MoC, and Forum Admin. Edited by Onza, Jun 4 2015, 04:49 PM.
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| Arcadia | Jun 4 2015, 08:40 PM Post #8 |
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This Act is quite clearly about RP and Cartography and where the line is drawn between the two. Since the Minister was previously specifically referred to in the Article, and given that the entire topic of the Article is the MoRP I do not think it necessary to specify here.
This section was left open and vague because the MoC is supposed to have the absolute initial authority on all things of this nature. So the law is written to empower him in this regard to the greatest extent, meaning that everything from planets to river placement would come under his purview as minister. Now I know this sounds like a lot of power being vested in one place but if you consider that the MoRP has ultimate authority over other RP matters such as technology and player activities its actually a fairly small power.
The roles of these Ministries are, under the constitution, left to the interpretation of the President when he appoints a minister. In short under our constitution it is up to the President to decide what each minister is supposed to do - this Act specifically relates to RP and not to regional government as a whole. While I would not necessarily oppose an Act defining ministerial positions I feel that it should be an entirely separate proposal to this one.
This is not an act which intends to set out corruption as a general crime; it simply makes reference to what misuse of the powers enshrined in this Act would result in. The subject of the misuse of government power and corruption is again, one for another, separate, proposal.
You both raise more or less the same point so I'll address these together. The Act clearly separates the powers of the MoRP and MoC so that neither has too much power. The two highlighted sections do not in fact class since the MoRP has authority over senitient species while the MoC has authority over non-sentient species. This is to reflect the difference between player RP and setting. If we give the power to create entirely new species of all kinds to just one person, then it is too much power vested in one place (in this case the MoRP). I think people are failing to distinguish here between my power as an individual who happens to hold the office of MoC, and the power of the office itself. Were I not MoC I would not have ANY powers with relation to the RP at all, unless another position granted me them. Now I'm in the process of creating a system of resource distribution for Yukon, and maps for the habitable planets in the Exodite System. Both of these jobs REQUIRE that I be able to distribute and create appropriate unique plants and animals in order for them to be completed. I need, as any future MoC will need, the ability to distribute and manage natural features in the context of the RP. Yet at the same time all MoC decisions are subject to review by the RPMT - who has an automatic seat on the RPMT? The MoRP, talk about a lot of power all in one place. Ultimately if the MoC makes a geographical decision that the MoRP doesn't like then the MoRP can contest it in the RPMT, where they get both a say and a vote.
This is what I was and always have been aiming for. Every power given by the constitution and by statute, is checked by some other power elsewhere; and ultimately all powers are answerable to the Assembly, that is to say the collective will of everyone who bothers to take part. |
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| Ajerrin | Jun 7 2015, 03:59 AM Post #9 |
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I'm fine with this. Checks and balances are seen throughout this piece of legislation. |
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| Charlie T. O. Jones | Jun 8 2015, 09:05 PM Post #10 |
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I concede to the will of the assembly and support this legislation |
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| Ajerrin | Jun 9 2015, 06:28 PM Post #11 |
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I call for a vote within the Assembly. |
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| Arcadia | Jun 9 2015, 09:41 PM Post #12 |
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The vote is indeed due to start today; therefore I ask the Assembly to declare their votes; Aye, Nay or Abstain. |
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| Onza | Jun 10 2015, 04:33 PM Post #13 |
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Aye |
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| Charlie T. O. Jones | Jun 10 2015, 04:44 PM Post #14 |
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Aye |
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| Herargon | Jun 10 2015, 05:15 PM Post #15 |
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Nay
Edited by Herargon, Jun 10 2015, 05:33 PM.
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| New Wolfeinstein | Jun 10 2015, 05:24 PM Post #16 |
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Abstain |
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| Ajerrin | Jun 10 2015, 05:44 PM Post #17 |
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Aye |
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| Unibearia | Jun 11 2015, 02:04 AM Post #18 |
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abstain |
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| Arcadia | Jun 11 2015, 02:31 PM Post #19 |
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Voting is now closed; the Act passes by a margin of 3-1-2 and shall be passed to the Senate. |
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