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| West Germany sues Norway | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 12 2008, 01:28 PM (277 Views) | |
| West Germany | Apr 12 2008, 01:28 PM Post #1 |
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The West German government sues Norway in front of the International Court to resume the action of 1939 because of New Swabia. New Swabia is an area of about 600.000 km². On January 19th 1939 Germany claimed this area by entering resp. dropping of German flags. We ask the High Court to recognize the German claims and to deny Norway any claims in this area. A claim is international law any uninhabited land is claimed by entering the soil and putting up of flags. That was done by Germans in 1939. Norway did never do such a step. The International Law has these prerequisites for a valid claim (Sorry, I have only a German source: Georg Dahm, Jost Delbrück, Rüdiger Wolfrum: Völkerrecht; § 54 pp. 347.): 1. The land has to be uninhabited (terra nullius). That's true. 2. The land has to be claimed with the will of rulership (animus occupandi). That was done so. 3. There must be any manifestation of this will, in other words there must be an at least temporary occupation of the land. That was done by Germany in December 1938 to February 1949. Germany fulfilled all these things and so asks the High Court to try Norway according to the not at the beginning. Adenauer OOC: I didn't know any other place to post this. Also we have somehow make a court. The best place I found was the UN. If a mod thinks another place would fit better, then he can change it.) Adler |
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| France | Apr 12 2008, 01:37 PM Post #2 |
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OOC: ROTFL :lol: Not the best move to make. /OOC |
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Tremblez, tyrans et vous perfides L'opprobre de tous les partis Tremblez ! vos projets parricides Vont enfin recevoir leurs prix ! Tout est soldat pour vous combattre S'ils tombent, nos jeunes héros, La terre en produit de nouveaux, Contre vous tout prêts à se battre ! | |
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| France | Apr 12 2008, 01:40 PM Post #3 |
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There is no Sovereign German State to be making any claims atm. Also we do not quite understand where you are "suing" the Norwegians. |
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Tremblez, tyrans et vous perfides L'opprobre de tous les partis Tremblez ! vos projets parricides Vont enfin recevoir leurs prix ! Tout est soldat pour vous combattre S'ils tombent, nos jeunes héros, La terre en produit de nouveaux, Contre vous tout prêts à se battre ! | |
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| Norway | Apr 12 2008, 01:41 PM Post #4 |
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There is no discussion, New Swabia is Norway's and it matters not if Hitler held it in his time, nor does it matter if the new German Government cannot respect the borders and regions of other nations. |
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| West Germany | Apr 12 2008, 04:46 PM Post #5 |
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We are suing the Norwegian nation for not respecting the German borders. And these claims we can claim. Adenauer |
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| Netherlands | Apr 12 2008, 05:54 PM Post #6 |
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The Kingdom of Netherlands supports the West Germany but we do not quite understand have germany can make any claims since there is no Sovereign German State. |
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| Norway | Apr 12 2008, 08:32 PM Post #7 |
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So the German state feels that its inteitled to the claims of the Third Reich? |
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| West Germany | Apr 13 2008, 07:21 AM Post #8 |
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Yes, we'are. We are the only legitime heir of the German Reich, as long as the Reich is "sleeping". (OOC: The German Reich was never dissolved, neither in the game, nor in history. It still exists! However as long as their organs are inactive the Reich can't act. The Occupation of 1945 did not brought an end to the Reich as well as the German occupation of Poland did not lead to an end of Poland itself.) Adenauer |
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| United States | Apr 13 2008, 08:11 AM Post #9 |
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The Third Reich ceased to be a ruling and coherent organ in 1945. The fact that the Germans feel that the Reich still exists is horrific in our opinion and we cannot in good conscience proceed to place a government in power that has not learned from its crimes against humanity. |
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| West Germany | Apr 13 2008, 10:54 AM Post #10 |
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The Nazi government acted in the name of the Reich. That is no justification, but the West German government has ever condamned the attrocities done by the Nazis. The actions of a government are bringing glory or shame to a people or organisation. However, this state or organisation must be seen neutral. Not their governments, of course. But if one nation's government is conducting crimes, the government is guilty directly and not the whole nation. We are ashamed of the crimes conducted by the Nazis. We are at least morally oblieged to try to heal the wounds of the other people. But to set the Nazis equal with the whole nation is not only wrong but unfair. Also the Nazi party is in this way overraised. The Nazis ruled only 12 years (unfortunately still 12 years too much). 12 years of a history of over 1.000 years. To set them equal with the Reich is plainly wrong and unfair compared to the rich history, including: Emperor Otto the Great, Emperor Frederic II., Frederic the Great, Immanuel Kant, Gotthold Ephraim Lessing, Frederick the Great, Moses Mendelssohn and Otto von Bismarck. Also the Nazis themselves had put the Constitution out of action to build their own thing. Therefore they hijacked the Reich to build their own "Reich" instead of the existing nation. Another reason, why the German Reich is not equal with the Nazis. Adenauer |
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| France | Apr 14 2008, 07:02 AM Post #11 |
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Moderator Action: Locked due to alien space bats. |
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Tremblez, tyrans et vous perfides L'opprobre de tous les partis Tremblez ! vos projets parricides Vont enfin recevoir leurs prix ! Tout est soldat pour vous combattre S'ils tombent, nos jeunes héros, La terre en produit de nouveaux, Contre vous tout prêts à se battre ! | |
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