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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 3 2008, 07:54 PM (225 Views) | |
| United States | Sep 3 2008, 07:54 PM Post #1 |
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Bob wants to let Algeria go and steward them... I see several problems with this: 1. The political situation in France would never have allowed this. 2. It is a bit of a conflict of interest for France to steward Algeria. |
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| Great Britain | Sep 3 2008, 07:58 PM Post #2 |
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If it is a French puppet style government, I would say it is ok, but the people would only be more mad, and not cooperative... |
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| Peoples Republic of China | Sep 3 2008, 08:18 PM Post #3 |
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I wouldn't have used the word asb, but certainly I agree it is not the best of possible solutions. Letting go of Algeria is one thing- but then stewarding them is entirely another. |
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| United States | Sep 3 2008, 08:31 PM Post #4 |
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Well perhaps ASB might not have been the best term. The more I think about it, it is not ASB per se but also not the best idea. Though if it is a puppet govt then there should not be too much problem with him stewarding them, though he will end up with the same war that he would have had if he had kept it most likely. |
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| Great Britain | Sep 3 2008, 08:36 PM Post #5 |
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My point exactly.... |
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| France | Sep 3 2008, 08:44 PM Post #6 |
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Let me tell MY side of the story here So me and EQ are discussing what to do with Algeria, he tells me that basicly whatever the hell i do, i'm fucked, so i tell him that then i'd rather have Algeria a French Union state. He then goes on a looooong talk about how that gives no sense, and invites Argentina and Greece to the chat to try to convince me, that its better just to kill off rebels, this ofcourse does not help my opinion on this, as it more or less feels like i am being rounded up in a cornor by EQ and co. He also comes with the idea that i just kill off the key rebels make social reforms and such, but honoestly i would bet 10 bucks on that just because people are given social benefits and civil rights that doesen't mean that they suddenly don't feel like having independence anymore. So finally i flip, completely, i jump on the rage train to rage town, because at this point i am very mad at EQ because he shoves 0 options in my face, and when i choose option 0,1 he cries out ASB and tells me what to do. He warns me that releasing Algeria as a independent state will make them ultra commie / islamic and i will not have any oil, i tell him that this is not plausible if i take stewardship of Algeria, i say this fearing that EQ will go on a complete " Fuck you " campaign and take the event admin position to a maximum, 200 revolts a day etc. EQ then tells me that " Its a miss-use of stewardship, and ASB ( full stop ) " I will agree with him to a certian extent, but viewing how i had the option of having EQ go amok as event admin or me having slight control of Algeria, i would rather go for Algeria. Oh and also, as i said i am not comfortable of people dragging me around chatboxes with 3 people vs ME, with the topic starter being " bob is doing something stupid klol lets convince him our way " This is ofcoursely not what is being said in the MSN chatbox, but what it basically is. |
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| Peoples Republic of China | Sep 3 2008, 08:48 PM Post #7 |
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Regardless of the opinions of the involved here- taking a stewardship in order to keep control of a nation IS misuse of the entire principle. They are a stop gap ONLY, not an actual tool. |
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| USSR | Sep 3 2008, 08:54 PM Post #8 |
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I don't think that it is ASB, because I've never heard of any aliens landing in Algeria :lol: He may take Algeria as a steward, no problem with that. BUT, the Algerian independence war will come. And just like IRL he will have to face dramatic french looses. As he already said he is fucked. GM should heat up the Algerian problem and I dont see any problems with that. He will have to leave Algeria, no matter if Algeria is a colony or a puppet of France. |
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| Peoples Republic of China | Sep 3 2008, 09:01 PM Post #9 |
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Aye, but to take those losses would be a french choice, and a legitimate one- the problem is that use of the stewardship is out of the question, because it is, either way, abuse of the system. |
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| Great Britain | Sep 3 2008, 09:04 PM Post #10 |
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You mean I should support the rebels or something? Oh, you meant the admins.
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| United States | Sep 3 2008, 09:08 PM Post #11 |
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French have a chance to hold Algeria if they do things right actually imo, though it comes with the nasty war. Point being that Bob will have the nasty war no matter what really, so it would be wiser to try to hold on. Letting it go is the worse of all worlds, it pisses off the french and the arabs and comes with the same nasty war. |
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| Ethiopia | Sep 4 2008, 01:08 AM Post #12 |
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There is no correct solution to Algeria. Period. Algeria was a place that was fucked with pretty bad in history. It's very Islamic, and has a very nationalist identity. No matter what happens to it, Algeria will experience some sort of desperate situation for at least a decade. Give it Independence. Steward it. Make it a French Puppet. You're still going to have a civil war. Keep it like the French really did. Continue to bribe Europeans to come and piss off the locals. You're going to have a civil war. The underlying fundamentals that caused the War of the Algiers are already cemented. Not enough was done in the past, and in fact, certain policies have enflamed the situation to have an alternative outcome. The place is rife with Palestinian supporting Islamic fundamentalists. And rife with REAL independence seeking nationalists. The War of the Algiers is unavoidable at this point. I've studied a lot on the War of the Algiers. Primarily because it is actually the conflict in history most similar to the new Iraq war. No matter what happens, it's gonna happen. Algeria is a country divided. It has all the elements for extremism and war. There's no changing that. |
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