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An RPG Idea.
Topic Started: Jan 16 2010, 10:22 PM (722 Views)
NathanS Jan 16 2010, 10:22 PM Post #1
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I’ve this idea bumping around in my head for an RPG involving a group of anti-human Digimon. The exact details are still in the final stages of coalescing, but a few points are in place. So I was just wondering if anyone was interested in the idea or not.
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Nova Jan 16 2010, 11:09 PM Post #2
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Depends, Anti-human as in Kos (Kill on sight) or just general dislike?
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NathanS Jan 16 2010, 11:21 PM Post #3
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More of a subversive element, trying to find ways to remove humans from the digital world and sort of establishing a anti-faction if you will, a power structure for Digimon without tamers. But they know this sort of thing will take a long time and require patience. So they're not just running around killing humans or such.

Best way to put their feeling put would be: "Digital world for digital beings." they feel it's insulting to have humans running around doing things that they feel they can do for themselves just as easily.
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Adrian.Creed Jan 17 2010, 12:36 AM Post #4
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How about they view regular humans (i.e Tamers in general) as enemies to the Digital World, and believe the only way humans can interact is if they themselves are fully assimilated into Terminus?

Or is it a group of digimon that wants to eradicate humans from File I-- I mean Mirage Island?
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warriorjames Jan 17 2010, 12:40 AM Post #5
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Here's a question:

Would Ancient and Chaos be able to fly under the radar for a short while?...with Chaos being infected and Ancient being a Surveyor...
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Chaos Shadow Jan 17 2010, 12:44 AM Post #6
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Actually the sentiments I was curious about; if the humans are 'integrated' (whether on their own or forcibly) into the Digital World, do they consider that some kind of naturalization process, or are they still just pissy about it?

Because alternately trying to clear the island of humans or forcibly turn them into Digimon analogues is pretty freaking awesome.
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Ancient actually turning into a digimon (most likely taking on the form of Strabi's evolutions) would be something interesting.

Ancient waking up, realizing he's in 'spirit form' and trying to turn back, only to realize its not possible....THAT would be nuts.

I would TOTALLY play that.
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Hmmm... Interesting.

Well Human can fully give themselves to the Digital World by turning into a Digital or Viral Entity. Surveyors I dunno about, since basically I don't know much about them.

But... this should be rather fun.
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NathanS Jan 17 2010, 01:01 AM Post #9
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Ahh see I had never really thought about a forced integration element, which definitely has possibilities, this is the reason I put this up for discussion first. Given the current picture in my mind (which can certainly change) they'd be against any one who came to the Digital World from another world. On the other hand finding a way to fully make humans, and other (non-Digimon) into Digimon, complete with erasing/mind raping (Room 101 type stuff) their memories of their pervious lives might be seen as acceptable to them.

As a note their not what you would call big Viruses fans, what with being Digimon and Viruses being well Viruses.
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Allosawyou2 Jan 17 2010, 01:28 PM Post #10
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May I just point out, such a group exists in my log right now. The Digital Alliance are a rather militant group of digimon who are anti-tamer, but, they do it in a way that they ry to solve the digital world's problems, so Tamers are not needed.

Empire Members are hated by them especially, as they are seen as a problem.
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Hmmm, could sort of combine them, one of them being a break-away group or such from the other. As the group I have imagined is sort of a multi-tactic group. They do do stuff like helping out in place of tamers, but also commit out-right attacks, the integration bit, and... less then conventional means of attack, shall we say?
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I also have a group of anti-Human Digimon in Twilight's backstory. Their ultimate goal is not just to eradicate all human influence from the Digital World, but to eventually invade the human world (or at least the... primary source of Tamers?) and destroy it entirely, thus preventing future human incursions. My group has no qualms about using Viruses as a means to an end; though none of them are Viruses themselves, they see such recourse as a necessary evil.
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Agin we could, if you wanted link these groups up as different cells of the same organization. it would certainly fit the vaguely terrorist type feel to them I was throwing round in my head. Well to be fair terrorist would be a simplification, I was thinking they might be more a anti group in the purest sense. I.E the human faction act legitimate so they behave like criminals/terrorists, humans organizations are fractured with vague alliances so they're one group split into many, human faction tend to take thing seriously so they sometimes come across as acting like big circuses.

On the virus front the ones I had in mind could be smiler to yours Twilight. Though use of them would be strictly controlled and after their done with them they'd make sure to kill them right away. I was just responding to Nova's comment:

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Well Human can fully give themselves to the Digital World by turning into a Digital or Viral Entity.
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NathanS Jan 18 2010, 04:49 PM Post #14
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So Allosawyou2, Twilight you guys okay with the separate cabals or brake-way groups of the same overreaching organization? If so are there any details I should know about your groups?
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Well, Twi's group gets thoroughly busted up years before most of our characters are acting, so it's not only plausible for a storyline in general, it's also plausible according to Illusion canon. Each of your separate groups could be a different sect of Twi's original band, who actually used viruses for their plans anyways.

And it wouldn't really affect them, since it's only an origin story and they could have done all sorts of things in the years before and after Twi's group acted.
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So how do they feel about Surveyors?
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At the end of the day Surveyors are still fundamentally humans.

Allosawyou2, and Twilight I'll be doing a bit of looking into your stuff with an eye for your groups, or former groups as Twilight's case is, is everything I need to know been reviled in your ventures?
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Unrelated to discussion, but this is a really cool idea. XD
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Ray Za Yueryuu Jan 19 2010, 03:26 PM Post #19
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Quick reminder that Surveyors are effectively unknown in site canon, although members are free to do whatever in personal story lines and in multi-person RPs where everyone is in agreement.
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You may notice that I don't actually have a central venture. ;P

I'll PM you the relevant information.
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Right here’s what I’ve imgignied as to what my anti-human group looks like so far if anyone has any suggestions or constructive criticism is welcome to have go at it.

Faction Digimon:
“Right so imagine a group of Digimon got together because they’re pissed off at Humans, and have started a having a sort of Voodoo-Carnival across the island, only killing anyone who gets in their way.”
-Cousin Borka, Knightmon, Faction Digimon Military Wing.

A surviving cell from a far older Anti-human group that accidently birthed Legion. Faction Digimon has been growing and re-building in the dark corners of mirage for the past ten years, and are ready to re-emerge. The faction is part terrorist group, part criminal-cult, part ritualism and all irritation. They have connection to all strips of terrorist cells and the mirage criminal underworld, yet despite this you’re hard pressed to find a member of the Faction that come across as particularly viscous, by and large they seem to half the things simply because it make the island a more interesting place, sort of though they feel that just because your out to wipe humans off the face of the world don’t mean you can’t have fun with it.

Indeed the Faction has a great deal of pride in its well-developed sense of Carnival. Members typically dress in ways that make a farce of their species and they all positively revel in the macabre, whit an almost fetishist love of totemic death symbols. Which often used to decorate their bases. They do this for a few reasons, one is of course the love of fun and undermining of all things, even life, but it is also a pointed attack at humans who die. Well Digimon can die in one sense, but their re-births and unknown life spans take a lot of the edge away. The faction love to remain humans of their transitory existence and it is for this reason that in the field members tend to be drawn from ghostly, undead, angelic and demonic Digimon. Finally the death symbols are also a political statement, that with humans running about and controlling the fate of Digimon everywhere the Digital World is metaphorically dying.

It should be noted that not everything the faction does is directly targeted against humans, some things they do just for the hell of it. Almost as if the believe the island would be lacking if their wasn’t a super criminal organization running around making sure everything remains, interesting for certain definitions of the word.
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Voodoo Carnival is not a term I'm familiar with. Explain.

Also, 'Faction Digimon' is a... well, a bad name. Doesn't tell you a thing about them, doesn't evoke imagery, it's just... Faction Digimon.
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I'm kind of digging "Carnivale Digital", actually, but that's just my suggestion.
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Yeah the name isn’t that great, names and titles have never been a strong suit of mine… So any help with that is more then welcomed.

On the Voodoo bit, I had to get going so I kind of forgot to elaborate on the ritual bit that would probably have made that make more sense.

The Faction largely avoid control panels and other overt trapping of technology preferring instead to focus on the fact that everything is composed of data, and since Digimon are living data, and one could even argue living ideas, what is a devil but the idea of evil given an image for example, they think of everything in the Digital World as living and have developed rituals to communicate and ask the help of these other digital beings, at least that’s what they claim whether or not it’s all a bold face lie is a matter of debate.

A simple example of this supposed ritual based behavior would be the locking of an important door. Well more technologically oriented individuals would create a high tech lock to secure it and use strong meat to stop forcing it the Faction instead chooses to use rituals to contact the “sprit” of the door and court it into not letting anyone they don’t want past it. If the sprit agrees it is said that not only will it not let those it has agreed to keep out open it, but it’s determination will make it’s self felt on the physical plane by making it harder to destroy the door then it logically should be.

The most extreme stories of Faction Ritual include the ability to transport selected and primed rooms to any other physical location on the island, and some even go so far as to suggest that they can eve reach the mainland. Most agree this is pure nonsense, but not as much as the final rumor, most likely spared by the Faction itself. Some say the Faction have found rituals that can allow them to transform non-digital life forms into Digimon. No one of any importance believes this.

On a final unrelated note it has been found out recreantly that certain Digimon are being held captive by the Faction and seem to be tortured in an attempt at brute force mental re-programming of the kind found in the human novel 1984. Strangely no Digimon have been reported missing by friends or family. The full reasons for this are still being looked into.
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Eh, the Faction you've described is more of a group of... insane... digimon, rather than a militant band working for good.

Nothing like the DA.

Makes me think, the Faction, and the Digital Alliance... they could both be Anti-Tamer... but they could also oppose each other. They seem different enough to do so.

But, as for them being related to each other, no, it wouldn;t work out.
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Insane is a bit harsh, a lot of it is simple posturing. But they are far closer to a guerrilla force then a military often acting through criminals who they supply with weapons, but I figured they'd bit far too different from the Alliance.
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Right, I've got a lot of the major details worked out, well expect the name, and how to kick things off. I was thinking having the group make attacks in a bunch of different areas as a sort of announcement of their arrival as a new force. that sound good?
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What do you guys think of these ideas for a name? The Offshoot, or The Decedent.
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Given that your other name was 'The Offshoot', do you mean Decedent, or Decadent, or Descendant? Because Descendant is very different from Decedent, which means 'a deceased person', but any of the three would work.

Personally, I liked Simon's suggestion of Carnivale Digital(e), since the whole concept was around the anarchy that you referred to as a 'voodoo carnival'.
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I'm totally cool with Simon being transformed maybe? Depends on the transformation. Are we talking totally arbitrary or does what Simon become depend somewhat on his nature and power?
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Yeah based on personalities and any powers that have.
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Will you be deciding what the 'most appropriate' form is, in that case? (Because I'm totally cool with that, myself; bit of a surprise, I suppose.)
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I figured we could talk it over here, but if a stalemate come up i would hold the right to make the finale call yes, whether through judgment or that old favorite of GMs, let chance handle it. (I.E. Dice, random number, flip coin and so on.)
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I mean if i am going to be turned into a Digimon I rather have at least three (respectable) digimon i can change into. But... that just me. Im still up in the air about it <_<
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Because a militant anti-Tamer group who would likely try to add transfigured humans to their ranks would turn you into a Numemon or something. That's real useful.

*reminded of the bad endings to I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream*

What level would the transformation be to? My first instinct would be Rookie, but I might as well verify.
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Rookie is correct, unless a good reason for otherwise is given.
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Doesn't make sense to me, actually. I feel like more powerful Tamers should produce more powerful digimon.
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And as I've said before, no Tamer can take on a Champion Digimon in man-to-man combat (and your Download shenanigans are insanity; you really should not be comparable to a Champion-class Digimon without a Spirit Evolution at your belt). Rookie is an appropriate transition for a tamer.
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I'm actually fine being stuck as a Rookie, the only thing I say is allow for Digivolution to Champion. For to simply feel the thrill of digivolution. I would imagine that it would be something that you would have to experience to truly understand it.
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I like that idea.
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Well that just gave the idea of some of the tamers getting 'hooked' on the feeling of evolving, have to see if I can work that in somewhere...
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YESSSSSSSSSS! Finally an idea of mines she likes. I think I might just let Nova get captured now.
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Actually, I can totally live with that.

And pshaw, Chaos. We both know your Tear powers would allow you to take down a mid-class Champion.
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Um... no they don't.

Chaos' ability to digivolve using Genesis allows her to take down a mid-class Champion pretty handily...
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Perhaps a Tamermon should have to defeat and load the data of at least one Digimon before being able to digivolve to Champion.

Personally, I'd think the act of absorbing data would be just as likely, if not more so, to become addicting to those who haven't been experiencing it from the moment they were born. ^_^
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And I see Kikota's already plotting out the madnesses that would be inflicted on him by being a...

Hmm.

Query One; will Tamers retain a degree of their abilities once transformed? I don't expect them to retain their full strength, but if Nova still had his Tear on him I'd think he'd be able to use at least some of its powers. I'd probably destroy Download, 'cept on a 'Strike' basis.

Query Two; since I didn't bring my other two Partners, would it be possible for Simon to ascend to their level in the course of the RP?
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If Nova still had the Indigo Tear there was no way in hell for him to get capture or stay capture in the first place, hence. Why I let it drop. Interesting enough, I don't think if he kept it he would be able to use it when he changes anyway. Human and Digimon data are vastly different I would think, so changing one to the other would drastically change the core make up. In short the tear would not recognize me as Nova, but as something very diferent.

Also I think power of the ultimate level should stay out of reach for a good reason. First off, when we change over to rookies i expect us to equvalent to a newborn rookie. Out the fact that although our bodies absorb data to nourish us and give us stength, it is still nothing compare to how digimon absorb data naturally and grow stronger over time. A newborn rookie to a ultimate in that short amount of time makes no sense, and also our emphasis as rookie would not be fighting I think, but rather the experience. I still havent seen nothing in the RP that will make our fighting a must. Hell there has only been one mega sighting and even if the tamers weren't there the digimon could handle it.

Besides, we been above average tamers for a long while. Maybe we need a little normacy while we are digimon.
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NathanS Mar 1 2010, 12:24 AM Post #48
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Wow! Head off for a day and suddenly this ting gets a burst of activity. And thanks to Twilight I can just imagine some of the tamermons curled up in a corner barking things in order to try and download its data well evolving and de-evolving, well some of them are culled and deprived of data until they are set onto the battlefield as berserkers.

Now Grim:
Q1: Yes and no, they would be downgraded and large manifest as what Digimon they become and abilities that the Digimon might have.

Q2: As Nova has pointed out this isn’t a fight heavy RPG, at least at current. Still this is just the opening, but I am hopping to keep the non-combat problem solving, along with a good does of mystery around the Carnival and their relation to the Digital World, at least equal in importance to the combat, but if the combat does pick up I’ll certainly consider opining Ultimate level.
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Twilight Mar 1 2010, 01:28 AM Post #49
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Wait, did this already start up somewhere?
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Nova Mar 1 2010, 01:38 AM Post #50
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yes it did, in the Endless Plains my good sir.
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