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| Bex | Jan 6 2007, 11:36 PM Post #26 |
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Oh, that sucks. I brought him back to the city the first time and didn't have a problem there. Treasure should be of roughly the same value on the second time through (if not identical), and replay goes fast when you know what to do. I did have to restart Part 2 after a couple of hours because I added something to my override folder that bugged the rope and explosives custom items so they wouldn't appear in the mod. So I'd advise you to bring a rope from the first part, and as soon as you load up Part 2, make sure you still have it. Then you'll know you won't get blocked further along due to missing items. There are a couple of places where you can mess things up by not doing them in the correct order, I've found. But for the most part, I think it adds to the atmosphere, as few of these situations are game-breaking. I also found a spot where the trigger point for an encounter can be disarmed like a trap, and of course, I had to reload because I wouldn't want to miss any encoutners. You'll probably know it when you find it. It was well into Part 2. I've been keeping lots of saves, mostly out of habit from BG2, since I modify it so extensively I never know when the game is going to suddenly have a tantrum. |
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I belong to one of those families that does not speak to or see its members as often as we should, but if someone needed anyone to fall on a sword for her, there would be a queue waiting to commit the deed. -Min Jin Lee | |
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| Joe | Jan 7 2007, 01:15 AM Post #27 |
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Have either of you played Sands of Fate? |
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| Bex | Jan 7 2007, 08:50 AM Post #28 |
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Nope. I've barely scratched the surface of available mods. Tales of Arterra and Aielund Saga have both come highly recommended, though I've yet to try either. |
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I belong to one of those families that does not speak to or see its members as often as we should, but if someone needed anyone to fall on a sword for her, there would be a queue waiting to commit the deed. -Min Jin Lee | |
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| Krazy | Jan 7 2007, 08:58 AM Post #29 |
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No Joe, I have not, but I'm really liking ADWR. Duly Noted, Bex, re rope. I forgot I also had the wizard's staff to sell for 30k, so where is the money shortage coming from? I would have close to 70k if I sold everything I really don't need, and I haven't recovered any traps yet. My disarm skill doesn't seem high enough. And nor have I upgraded my weapons/armour, maybe I should. It seems I forgot to save the Ranger during the early part of the game, it was daytime when I sneaked past them and it mentioned coming back at night, which I forgot, it wasn't in my journal. So anyway, I did it as the dragon lands you conveniently to do it, and it was night as well. Having Pia and Anden in the party screws up the dialogue with Alfons after rescuing Pia, so on the second go, I left Pia at the south gates, and took Anden into the city, and told him a lie about where I lived so he left and then went back and got Pia and went to Alfons and the game is back on track (I think). For some reason which I can't figure out, the mod makes using scrolls incredibly difficult with UMD and a DC of 25+. Which is making my points spent there as good as wasted. |
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| Bex | Jan 7 2007, 09:33 AM Post #30 |
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Upgrading equipment is expensive. Worth it though. I didn't know there'd be opportunity for upgrades in Part 2, so I definitely overstated the scarcity of funds. I was trying to pay for a full range of upgrades on two sets of armour, plus buy other supplies. (Note: stores in Part 1 have a greater variety of items.) I bought most of the instruments with x/day uses for Pia (she manages to sometimes use them intelligently, sometimes not, but it gives her a little boost anyway), just prior to exporting for Part 2, and a lot of rings and amulets and stuff for myself and henchmen to use as the situation dictates. I get a little obsessive about being prepared. (Immunity to fear, check. Immunity to poison, check. Stat drain, check. Etc.) Recovering and reusing traps is a favorite trick of mine, so I built a character designed to be able to do so ASAP. Skill focus plus synergy bonus plus a base Int score of 14, and I bought the Amulet of the Master once I had the cash. I also figured out that you get XP for recovering traps from door and containers, but not from the ground. I think the DC for using scrolls via UMD is tied to the difficulty setting, and might apply to any campaign. Not sure though. My girl is CG now. I think it's Pia's influence. |
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I belong to one of those families that does not speak to or see its members as often as we should, but if someone needed anyone to fall on a sword for her, there would be a queue waiting to commit the deed. -Min Jin Lee | |
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| Krazy | Jan 7 2007, 09:55 AM Post #31 |
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OK, yeah I wonder if Pia will reform me...I've definitely changed, still I only want another level of Assassin for an extra 1d6 Death Attack so could go back to another alignment. As for amour, I don't need to upgrade my combat armour +4 Half-plate is good enough, but definitely could do with upgrading my Studded Leather armour and weapons I suppose. I'm a bit like you re amulets and rings except I hoard what I find rather than buying specially. But Pia does need some help so maybe I'll buy some stuff for her. Never had a problem with UMD before as all you needed was 9 ranks to cast level 9 spells from scrolls. |
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| Joe | Jan 7 2007, 10:35 AM Post #32 |
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Don't play Sands of Fate, then, and spare yourself the time. |
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| Krazy | Jan 7 2007, 03:14 PM Post #33 |
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Is it that bad, Joe? Bex, where did you get bard stuff? I went round all the merchants I could find, but must have missed that one. I was thinking a monk x/shadowdancer 1 (hide in plain sight), would probably have an easy time with this mod although it wouldn't make much sense RP wise. |
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| Bex | Jan 7 2007, 06:12 PM Post #34 |
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Thanks for the tip, Joe. Krazy, there's a store, near the Ranger Guild, IIRC, that's just called Instruments, and that's all she sells. For item upgrades, at least adding regeneration to every armour you use regularly is probably worthwhile. Not a bad idea to upgrade henchman equipment either, when you can. You're probably right about a monk/shadowdancer having a relatively easy time of it. My build is rogue/fighter/shadowdancer, and even though most of those are rogue levels, she's pretty tough. I might try a spellcaster at some point, though the distance between resting points in some areas is bit of a turn-off. It'd be a different challenge. |
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| Joe | Jan 7 2007, 08:41 PM Post #35 |
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The story is actually kinda cool, overall. The problem is that, while the mod sets out to be for epic level characters, it doesn't really feel like that at all. From a roleplaying standpoint, you could quite conceivably start out at level one rather than 25. It was a story suited to low to mid-level characters with enemies beefed up to challenge epic level characters; as I compared it at the NWN forum, it's like playing Diablo II in Nightmare or Hell mode. Also, the henchmen are very bland. |
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| Krazy | Jan 7 2007, 09:41 PM Post #36 |
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Thanks Joe, I would doubt there are many good epic-level mods without turning it into a hack'n'slash. People want to use all their epic abilities in an epic mod. Don't laugh Bex, but I found the shop, I hadn't fully explored that area of the map. :lol: . Didn't see anything too much worth buying that I could afford. I bought the greater amulet of health for Pia to regenerate, and amulet of the master which burnt through most of my 65k. Still I've finished part 1 and will start part 2 tomorrow after I buy a few things and export my character. Still the Master Amulet means I can focus on hide and mov sil. a bit so I can start sneaking around in my lovely plate armour. But I upgraded the studded leather to +2 anyway. I didn't bother with regen. because of Pia's love(ly) ring. Re you character: Yeah I can see how she would be quite adept at disarming traps. I think I went for Str 12, Int 12, Wis 10, Dex 16, Con 12, Cha 14. Should have not bothered with Wis, Upped Str instead. Rogues have crap will saves and the -1 pen wouldn't have mattered. Then I could have had 18 Dex by lev 8 instead of wasting a point to get Power Attack/Cleave. |
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| Bex | Jan 7 2007, 11:17 PM Post #37 |
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Stacked regeneration will be useful later, but yeah, the ring is good for now. Don't forget to grab any of Pia's items to transfer to the next part, and anything Anden and Vico might be willing to surrender (which isn't much, but you can take any potions they have left), as they'll only have their default gear at the outset. Means you can also sell any duplicate items of Pia's you don't want to keep. B) Part 2 is a lot more linear. I suspect I must be getting near the end. Hard to tell how much longer it'll take, as some areas end up taking a long time to clear. Did you do all of Jacia's and Mando's quests? What did you get your "arts of love" skill up to? |
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| Krazy | Jan 8 2007, 12:03 AM Post #38 |
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Yes, I did do all of Mando's and Jacia's quests, and I reached '6' in my sexy skill. Don't know if that's good or bad though. I suppose part 2 is when you get to use it. Thanks for the tip, about Pia's stuff. Stacked regen sounds nice, but I'm hoping the +2/5 dmg reduction and good AC from the plate keeps me from needing too much of it. The Dhorn Commandos barely scratched me with the +2 regen as it is, I didn't need a single potion/healing kit during the whole time clearing out The Bear Pit or the last House. Pia on the other hand glugged hundreds of potions.... The plate armour couldn't be upgraded and I didn't want to spend the money on the leather as I intend to switch to the plate mail full time now. Although I suppose I could give the leather armour with regen to Anden or Pia later on. Choices, choices. |
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| Bex | Jan 8 2007, 04:21 AM Post #39 |
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Damage reduction is possibly the best thing ever. Unless your enemies have it. I've got some really nice damage reduction gear now. All of my henchmen (and woman) have needed a lot more potions than my main character, probably because I'm hogging most of the damage reduction gear. But then, they can't raise me if I die. Not that's I've had to do a whole lot of resurrecting. I'm not sure if you can get the sexy skill higher in Part 1 or not (mine was the same), and I'm not sure exactly how much is needed for "convincing" Jero. Interesting quest, the Dhorn Slayer one. I actually felt a flutter of guilt over Simon's demise, and Jero struck me mostly as a guy who was totally born into the wrong society. My character evidently has some repressed rage issues remaining. Took another evil shift for swearing vengeance on the Dhorn. Still CG, but possibly need to watch that mouth. |
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I belong to one of those families that does not speak to or see its members as often as we should, but if someone needed anyone to fall on a sword for her, there would be a queue waiting to commit the deed. -Min Jin Lee | |
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| Krazy | Jan 8 2007, 03:20 PM Post #40 |
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Oh dear, I couldn't help myself, I killed my would be assassin after feigning pleading for my life. He bowed down and offered his sword, whereupon I took it and killed him. Good job Pia wasn't watching. :lol: Still I now have his Holy Avenger sword. That's two Pally's swords I've collected now. (this was the second time as the bastiche pwned me first time (of course!) he seemed to be pretty tasty with that longsword of his). I also tried killing Vico, but I wasn't able to hit him enough for his regeneration to heal him again, so that will have to wait. |
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| Bex | Jan 8 2007, 04:09 PM Post #41 |
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As far as I could tell from the dialogues, there are a lot of ways of playing through that scenario. I went the fully charismatic route, though I did make Lady Whent apologize, and took a bunch of items off Sir Jonald for my troubles. |
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| Krazy | Jan 8 2007, 07:36 PM Post #42 |
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Most of them end with fighting, although it was obviously geared to trying to avoid the fight. I failed my persuade check on one branch by 1 somewhere. It seems because he had a holy weapon he was getting an extra 2d6 damage in per hit against me as I was evil. |
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| Bex | Jan 8 2007, 07:53 PM Post #43 |
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I love that I get XP for all those bluff and persuade checks. Social skills++ |
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| Krazy | Jan 8 2007, 08:02 PM Post #44 |
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Indeed, I think I had pretty much made all of the other checks, only failing a couple. I didn't realize he was a joinable NPC, but you nicked his stuff when he takes you downstairs. You don't get his sword if you kill him after that though - I tried. And killing Lady Whent nets you a +2 Courtesan Blade. (It seems I should have put on the red dress and not my armour to make the persuade checks.) |
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| Bex | Jan 8 2007, 09:51 PM Post #45 |
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I actually let him tag along while exploring upstairs before heading down and rejoining the usual bunch. He makes a few comments, but nothing crucially informative, and he even stood by while I ransacked Lady Whent's bedroom. Then I took most of his gear and gave it to Anden and Vico. |
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| Bex | Jan 9 2007, 07:51 AM Post #46 |
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Finished. I am so starting over with a new character. |
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| Krazy | Jan 9 2007, 10:09 AM Post #47 |
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Cool, what do you think you'll do differently this time? I was thinking that Sir Jonald as a Paladin supposedly sworn to your father was being a little too quick to kill you in cold blood. It seems incredibly evil to me, even incarceration and sparing their life seems a more equitable solution. Anyway, wiped out the Orc bandits, but Pia and Anden fell, I'm starting to remember why multiple henchman in NWN1 are such a pain. If they'd just done as they were told I wouldn't needed to have resurrected either of them. |
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| Krazy | Jan 9 2007, 02:43 PM Post #48 |
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I guess you were talking about the armour of lolth earlier. 500 xp for a spider. Yippee. |
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| Bex | Jan 9 2007, 03:23 PM Post #49 |
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Think I'm going to try a rogue/sorceror and explore some of the more evil paths. I can always give the good heavy armour to Vico. Can't upgrade it though, which kinda sucks. Somewhat in agreement about Sir Jonald, but at least he's a better man than that Christano jackass. At least Jon listens to reason. Those orcs were tough. I had a slightly easier time with them when I had to restart the mod, as I collected Gemli prior to exploring in that direction. Multiple henchmen have their pros and cons, and I found the interaction worth occasional moments of "I said hold your ground dammit! Now heal me. Heal me. Well screw you too then." Edit to say that Valine (mod author) doesn't really do paladins well. She used to have the Baron flagged as a paladin too, but got a lot of negative response to that and changed him to a fighter. Feats and skills aren't corrected though. But I think she's sort of missing the whole point of a lawful good holy warrior. |
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| Krazy | Jan 9 2007, 05:37 PM Post #50 |
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Oh, ok is Gemli worth it? I've cleared out the orcs and first level of the mines without him. Didn't want to pay 2k for him. |
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