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Sexbaiting for Satire?; Outings reduxed
Topic Started: Jan 28 2007, 02:14 AM (149 Views)
Regullus
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Jason Fortuny: A man who posed as a woman and posted a sexually explicit ad on Craiglist for bdsm sex, received 170+ replies and then posted the responses with photos, real names, work e-mails, everything on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Some of the links are not safe for work.

Links:

A Rogue's Gallery

Jason Fortuny's website

Totally NSFW:

NSFW/OFFENSIVE IMAGES/WARNING! Encyclopedia Dramatica link

The Secret Life of Jason Fortuny

Jason Fortuny Speaks

Internet Pervs Exposed Courtesy of i-mockery







tempus_teapot
 
I'd like to add that at this point I have taken my Spider Jerusalem action figure and tied his wrist to my Cassidy (from Preacher) action figure just so I can work out which positions are feasible with them and which aren't.

Read that and weep, internet. Weep!

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Eral
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The purpose of the publication of the men's names was to humiliate them. Fortuny has information about them, he has power over them, and he exercises it. Pretty pathetic behaviour on his part. I suggest he's an arsehole, pure and simple.
None of the men he "exposed" instigated the contact: they responded to an ad. They did nothing wrong: they were looking for consensual sexual contact. I can see why they use the InterNet to make such contacts, because I imagine it's pretty much of a dud when you bring it up in conversation.
I realise that there are people who use the "they are perverts, they should be exposed" line to justify the hoax, but I suggest that the hoaxers have their own prurient interest in the subject matter. By announcing it's a hoax, they can avoid examining their motivations. "Gee, those guys are weird."
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Joe
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I think if he had posted the emails and photos without names and faces, you could call it an acceptable attempt at satire.

But since this person did not do those things, he's just being mean. It's like pretending to be a person's friend so that you gain entrance to his or her house, steal his or her diary, and pass it around at school.

While these people are odd, silly, and perhaps laughable, nothing they did was actually wrong.

What a piece of shit.
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Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants I've begged for protection?
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Regullus
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I'm of two minds on the whole issue. Yes, I agree, consensual sex between adults, not trawling for tinies, not harassing anyone in the work place, etc., etc.

On the other hand, maybe people shouldn't be behaving that way. Maybe even arrangements such as these should be made with basic courtesy and common sense and not include pictures of your genitalia sent from one's work cubicle. :eral: Or perhaps such a consequence viewed as a life lesson, after all, this type of situation can easily devolve to something with nasty consequences; vds, AIDS, assault, rape or murder.

Also, the victims in some cases were behaving badly. If nothing else slouching off at work but how many of these men had SOs who were not only being betrayed emotionally but also put at risk. :penguin:

Can we expect to do anything we want and not expect there might be some consequences for our actions?
tempus_teapot
 
I'd like to add that at this point I have taken my Spider Jerusalem action figure and tied his wrist to my Cassidy (from Preacher) action figure just so I can work out which positions are feasible with them and which aren't.

Read that and weep, internet. Weep!

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Joe
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Hm. Also true.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants I've begged for protection?
I'm freezing
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Eral
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If those men had been responding to an ad for regular infidelity, I'd happily call them creeps, and would be less critical of the outing.
I also agree they were amazingly incautious in providing names, addresses, etc. But again, their honesty shows suggests a degree of desperation. Which is really sad.
The point that working hours are inappropriate times for taking pictures of your genitals is true as well. But I imagine taking pictures of your genitals at home could be a lot harder to manage in privacy.

Is what they want wrong?
I personally think enjoying pain is an unhealthy mental state, and it would be nice if pyschological help could assist people sort out those issues. I also disapprove of keeping secrets from your partner.
But this seems to me to be akin the dilemma of bi-sexual men, or gay men who are in straight marriages, or secret transvestites. I can see how devastating it would be for partners, but I can see why it's a secret.

The young man published those names for a joke. To denounce and humiliate someone else just for fun is not right.

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Bex
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I think that Jason Fortuny had no business casting himself as the morality police, and I think that his motivations were openly malicious, whilst that of those he targetted are just suspect. Black vs. grey. Vicious vs. icky.

There's certainly a big "don't be stupid" lesson in it, but I often think that the world frames those lessons in an unnecessarily harsh form.
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Boeing
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I'm not really on either side here, simply because I find the story so hilarious. :unsure:
I want you. I want you so bad. I want you so bad it's driving me mad. She's so heavy!
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Krazy
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I think, I agree with Bex. In this electronic age where a thing like this can be and has been made public to essentially the whole world, which I guess is the point, that this is just malicious intent. He could have made it anonymous which would have drove the point home to those concerned just as well.

Yeah, I get your point Regullus, but was this really the best way to expose (sorry) these people?
"Well, ‘course dis one’s betta! It’s lotz ‘eavier, and gots dem spikey bitz on de ends. "
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Regullus
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I do think the story can be easily viewed as a cautionary tale and frankly, considering what could happen in a situation such as this, a very mild consequence. However, Jason Fortuny's actions are simply malicious and his motivations are murky at best although I do respect him for taking the heat as opposed to hiding although how real the persona is, is anybody's guess.

These types of behaviors have potentially serious consequences. We can't really just say it's a matter between two consenting adults because it does affect more than two people, it affects the individual's safety, it potentially affects future partners, and it affects current partners.

Other aspects of the tale are disturbing, the female who wants to be abused and the enthusiastic response of males who wish to abuse her. I am actually not against abuse as a form of pleasure (between consenting adults) and I do sorta underatand that an individual may have been sexualized (or is it fetishized?) to appreciate abuse but I wonder how much of this is wholesome fantasy as opposed to a sickness.

Back to sexbaiting, I basically disapprove of sexbaiting in all its aspects but the classic definition of sexbaiting, a female receiving money in return for potential sexual favors is a classic scam and hardly limited to sex, the Nigerian scams comes to mind and also sweepstakes, for a $1.00 you will receive $100,000.00.

At PPG, Nightmare, I believe, told a story of a boy who thought he was in a great net romance with a girl and it was another boy who shared the correspondance with his 'net friends. That story strikes far more sympathy in me because the boy was a true victim who was honest and heartfelt and was maliciously betrayed and humiliated among 'friends.'

The 'net can give people a false sense of anonymity and as a result most of our social structure and courtesies are voided and we are exposed or reduced to a low common denominator that is a mockery or satire of our social order.

I too think consequences or the punishment for a minor misstep can be unreasonably severe but to think we can behave stupidly or simply naively is I think a luxury of the West and a great flaw in our collective personality.

There are consequences, serious consequences, and this idea that we always have a second chance or even infinite chances and we deserve these chances is in many cases the mentality of a naive and spoilt child.

Recently, a young woman was drunk and alone in a bar in a seedy section of New York City at 4:30 in the morning, the bar kicked her out but asked one of the bouncers to call a cab and put her in the cab and send her home. Unfortunately, the bouncer was a sociopath who instead took her to a secluded area and raped, tortured and heinously murdered her.

Did she deserved to be murdered? No, but it's what can happen.
tempus_teapot
 
I'd like to add that at this point I have taken my Spider Jerusalem action figure and tied his wrist to my Cassidy (from Preacher) action figure just so I can work out which positions are feasible with them and which aren't.

Read that and weep, internet. Weep!

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lara
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Jan 28 2007, 06:15 PM
Recently, a young woman was drunk and alone in a bar in a seedy section of New York City at 4:30 in the morning, the bar kicked her out but asked one of the bouncers to call a cab and put her in the cab and send her home. Unfortunately, the bouncer was a sociopath who instead took her to a secluded area and raped, tortured and heinously murdered her.

Did she deserved to be murdered? No, but it's what can happen.

What's your point?
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Eral
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Boeing, my brother would think this is hilarious too. He would be utterly dismissive of my disgust at Fortuny's stunt, laugh heartily and say something blunt about the the intelligence of the people who sent their real names and addresses. I may tell him, because he'll enjoy it so much.

If you do dumb stuff, you pay for it. No question. People need to think about the consequences of their actions, and how much they are putting themselves at risk. But I think Fortuny is a revolting little troll.

I think Fortuny is bragging and showing off, not taking responsibility. He appears to be saying "Nyah nyah, I don't care": and by saying he is buying a gun he is warning off anyone seeking personal physical revenge. A prankster of his sort needs people to know his identity: attention seems to be part of the thrill.

I think Regullus point is
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