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An Unanswered Question
Topic Started: Feb 11 2007, 04:04 AM (403 Views)
Eral
Kopi Luwak
I was very pleased with this response.
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I don't *hate* anyone's accent. Thinking back, I really should have not made the topic of this thread what I did.

I thought it showed the ability to reflect on one's behaviour and admit to mistakes.
It's good he can do this in response to at least one person.

A very good question was asked, but wasn't answered.

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Joe
Feb 1 2007, 07:25 AM
Eral, the grown-ups are having a discussion. Run along now. We'll let you know when we'll discuss Dr. Seuss books.

Why troll?


I think it deserves consideration, and a response.


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Bex
puppet dictator
*sigh*

I think, without topics like this, Joe would behave like less of an ass towards you as well.
I belong to one of those families that does not speak to or see its members as often as we should,
but if someone needed anyone to fall on a sword for her, there would be a queue waiting to commit the deed.
-Min Jin Lee
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Joe
Coffea Canephora
I'm not even a troll, anyway.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants I've begged for protection?
I'm freezing
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Eral
Kopi Luwak
Well, that's a response. :rolleyes:

Bex, that is not true. Joe behaves like an arsehole to me regardless of whether I am polite, ignoring him or ridiculing him. You are a very calm rational person on-line. I very much admire your capacity to not get fussed. If Joe was stalking you, we certainly wouldn't see threads like this.

However, he's stalking me. I feel you are implying I am to blame for his behaviour, which I feel to be unfair. I understand your disapproval, but I feel I have two choices: I can leave CT or have a go at him occasionally. I prefer to stay.
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Silk
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No, indeed, he's just a troll wannabe. :D

*waves to Eral and Bex*
"We'll try being kinder if you'll try being smarter"
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Eral
Kopi Luwak
Oh, I think he's fully fledged. Have you seen the Quandary thread? All his petty motivations on proud display. It's mind-boggling.
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Silk
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Give me a chance, Eral, I've only just got here!
"We'll try being kinder if you'll try being smarter"
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Joe
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Eral
Feb 10 2007, 11:15 PM
Well, that's a response. :rolleyes:

Bex, that is not true. Joe behaves like an arsehole to me regardless of whether I am polite, ignoring him or ridiculing him. You are a very calm rational person on-line. I very much admire your capacity to not get fussed. If Joe was stalking you, we certainly wouldn't see threads like this.

However, he's stalking me. I feel you are implying I am to blame for his behaviour, which I feel to be unfair. I understand your disapproval, but I feel I have two choices: I can leave CT or have a go at him occasionally. I prefer to stay.

Sigh. I act the same on every messageboard I've ever been on. I find you to be particularly annoying so I filter myself much less often.

I have no intention to harass you or bother you, I just say what I think.

You may find me to be an asshole or a tactless brute (I would still disagree, but at least that assessment would be based on evidence), but I am certainly not a troll.

As much as it flatters you to think you have a stalker, that is most certainly not the case.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants I've begged for protection?
I'm freezing
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Silk
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Joe, somehow I doubt having you as a stalker would EVER be flattering.
"We'll try being kinder if you'll try being smarter"
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Bex
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No, Eral, I don't think it's your fault; I can understand being frustrated to the point of wanting a really good dig at someone. I learned a long time ago that my brand of stolid apathy is a rare thing.

But I also don't think Joe is a troll or a stalker. He happens to enjoy the kind of socio-political discussion that's outlawed at PPG and allowed here, and Joe arrived here through as valid a circumstance as anyone else. He does sometimes engage in excessive amounts of name-calling and unproductive swearing, but not to the extent that he never posts anything worth a response (my definition of a troll). And a proper stalker would even flame your quiz responses; you're just political poison to each other. (I'm assuming he doesn't send you incendiary PMs or anything like that.)

In all fairness to Joe, he doesn't tend to be hypocritical in his sociopolitical viewpoints, and he's sometimes quite humanistic. That said, if he'd like to go sign up at Planet Baldur's Gate, he could lock horns with a much broader spectrum of forum members with differing viewpoints. Though it would be prudent to refrain from calling the regulars idiots until after at least a few hundred posts, or they won't take you seriously enough to engage in a proper discussion. Not that they take most people too seriously to begin with, but they're really pretty rough on contentious n00bs (not that someone who just wants to pick a fight doesn't kinda deserve it; not that I approve of that kind of behaviour anyway).

Blah. If necessary, at some future point I will compose a "defense of Eral" of similar word count. (Please don't make it necessary. This is exhausting.)
I belong to one of those families that does not speak to or see its members as often as we should,
but if someone needed anyone to fall on a sword for her, there would be a queue waiting to commit the deed.
-Min Jin Lee
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Joe
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Silk
Feb 11 2007, 12:18 AM
Joe, somehow I doubt having you as a stalker would EVER be flattering.

It's not the stalker (me) she's flattered about; she's flattered at who (her) she thinks the stalker chose as his object of obsession.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants I've begged for protection?
I'm freezing
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Krazy
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I haz powah!
(silently reads Bex's 3rd paragraph) :whistle:
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Eral
Kopi Luwak
I certainly won't ask for a defense of me :D : I accept that you have a different view of Joe to me. Other people do too. Some people agree with me. This is not a team sport, and I am not here to win an election. I am here to engage in carefree banter and serious discussion of different ideas. In which activity I feel seriously hampered. I disagree that Corvis' invitation to Joe to join here is quite the same as the rest of us. And his behaviour is certainly different to everyone else. No, he certainly doesn't PM me. He's get baned for that.
I apologise to you, Bex and anyone else who is uncomfortable with this thread. I am very sorry, but I am really tired of Joe's pathetic misbehaviour. (It might be good if you wander off now and listen to some nice soothing jazz or something.)
I feel that the purpose of his pointless animosity is to force me to leave. Needless to say, I'm staying. (*Thousands weep silently in the background*) But neither am I prepared to put up with his shite. As I have said before, I think it more polite to keep it in one thread. Something he consistently refuses to do. If anyone has a suggestion which might help resolve this conflict, I would be more than happy to hear it.

If Joe is not trolling, then what is he doing? Comments like "this thread sucks" do not fall into the category of humanistic or socio-political argument. He wants to discuss? Fab. He has different views to me? Great. Now if only he would. But what I am getting is insults THAT ARE NOT EVEN CLEVER. My God!! It's unbelievable how pedestrian he is!! Flaming would be funny. He can't even manage that!! Every thread contains some asinine remark which is meant to derail the conversation. It's unacceptable. And I'm jack of it.

Joe: you are a complete dickhead. I am not flattered or pleased by your stupidity: I have long since been amazed that you think we are engaged in combat. You are boring . That's the long and the short of it. (By the way, your sentence is nearly incomprehensible. Kind of ruins the attempt at condescension. Again, you fail miserably at being witty. WHY? WHY? It's not that hard. Fuck. My 8 year old niece does a zippier comeback than you. It's appalling how low your standards are.)
You act the same on every message board? That's pathetic. I can't believe you justify yourself that way. "I'm a rude fuckwit to everyone." Oh, that's OK then? I've seen some of your latest work: your insults to the woman at PPG were disgusting and hypocritical, Mr. "I love women". :spew: What the fuck are you thinking? It's clever to be obnoxious? Only if you're funny.
This is a chat board. I live here. You've got a problem with me? It's your problem. Don't come here to carry on whatever pathetic game you're playing. You ruined EFCB, and damned if I will let you ruin CT.

These are the rules: we discuss, and we don't insult each other. We do not use terms we know are offensive. If you have nothing constructive to say, then shut up.
I refuse to tolerate your obnoxious behaviour anymore. Because it is so entirely without style or imagination.


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Regullus
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There are various types of trolls but I think a 'good' troll is someone who posts an inflammatory statement and then watches the thread asplode. The troll may add another post to add fuel as the fires of indignation wanes but the best trolls stick to one post.

Here's an example of a classic troll thread:

OMFG YOU GUYS ARE NERDS
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I'd like to add that at this point I have taken my Spider Jerusalem action figure and tied his wrist to my Cassidy (from Preacher) action figure just so I can work out which positions are feasible with them and which aren't.

Read that and weep, internet. Weep!

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Bex
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Eral
Feb 11 2007, 04:31 AM
I've seen some of your latest work: your insults to the woman at PPG were disgusting and hypocritical, Mr. "I love women".

Oh pooh, I imagine that was moved to the sekrit forum of naughty posts ASAP. Sorry I missed it. The kind of insight into character awarded by a thread like that is always a pleasure.

Regullus: This is a personal favorite.
I belong to one of those families that does not speak to or see its members as often as we should,
but if someone needed anyone to fall on a sword for her, there would be a queue waiting to commit the deed.
-Min Jin Lee
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Krazy
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I haz powah!
I'm useless at dealing with trolls, I like winding them up too much.
Especially the one at PBG now, whose decided to pick on me,although I might have had something to do with it. Can't say I've been mature dealing with it, quite the contrary, but I am having fun...
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Boeing
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The best thing to do with trolls is knock them down then use acid/fire on 'em.

:bex:
I want you. I want you so bad. I want you so bad it's driving me mad. She's so heavy!
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Joe
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No, he certainly doesn't PM me. He's get baned for that.


....of course, that's not why I *don't* PM you.

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But what I am getting is insults THAT ARE NOT EVEN CLEVER. My God!! It's unbelievable how pedestrian he is!! Flaming would be funny. He can't even manage that!! Every thread contains some asinine remark which is meant to derail the conversation. It's unacceptable. And I'm jack of it.


I don't really care about any of that. I don't try to pat myself on the back for how cleverly nasty I try to be, because I don't try to be cleverly nasty. I don't try to think how best to ZING! people.

I think part of the reason you find me so intolerable is because you view the way I act with your own views on Internet etiquette, where it is acceptable to be completely condescending and rude to people so long as swearing is not included.

I dispense with the falsities.

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Joe: you are a complete dickhead. I am not flattered or pleased by your stupidity: I have long since been amazed that you think we are engaged in combat.


I think we're in combat?? How many threads have you made to try and put me on trial?

It's obvious that you care far more about our exchanges than I do.


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You are boring . That's the long and the short of it. (By the way, your sentence is nearly incomprehensible. Kind of ruins the attempt at condescension. Again, you fail miserably at being witty. WHY? WHY? It's not that hard. Fuck. My 8 year old niece does a zippier comeback than you. It's appalling how low your standards are.)


Blah, blah, blah, insulting is always some game to you.

Just ignore me in place of posting these little tirades.

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You act the same on every message board? That's pathetic. I can't believe you justify yourself that way. "I'm a rude fuckwit to everyone." Oh, that's OK then? I've seen some of your latest work: your insults to the woman at PPG were disgusting and hypocritical, Mr. "I love women".  :spew: What the fuck are you thinking? It's clever to be obnoxious? Only if you're funny.


What woman and what insults are you talking about?


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This is a chat board. I live here. You've got a problem with me? It's your problem. Don't come here to carry on whatever pathetic game you're playing. You ruined EFCB, and damned if I will let you ruin CT.

These are the rules: we discuss, and we don't insult each other. We do not use terms we know are offensive. If you have nothing constructive to say, then shut up.
I refuse to tolerate your obnoxious behaviour anymore. Because it is so entirely without style or imagination.


For the most part I treat you respectfully. It is when you start to get condescending and/or bitchy that I act the way you love to make threads about.

In the shadow of the light from a black sun
Frigid statue standing icy blue and numb
Where are the frost giants I've begged for protection?
I'm freezing
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Eral
Kopi Luwak
Thanks to everyone for their helpful comments.

Joe: I said "Joe, you are being boring and stupid. Stop it." You appear to have answered by saying "Yes, I am being boring and stupid and have worked hard to achieve this, so I won't stop it."

So be it. I might be polite to you in future discussions, if I feel like it, but don't count on it.
I enjoyed your "just ignore me": your inability to comprehend the written word is a source of constant amusement: but am somewhat concerned that you think I have been bitchy and condescending. Either you are very sensitive or I am losing my touch. I have been trying for snarky and tongue in cheek. :rolleyes:

I am not going to turn every thread into a spear-Joe-like-a-beached-whale fest : because it's rude to others, and you are really not important enough to take up so much space. However, expect to see commentary on anything from you I feel like deriding. "A Little Piece of Joe Thread" seems a good title.





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Joe
Coffea Canephora
There is no purpose.
In the shadow of the light from a black sun
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Eral
Kopi Luwak
Oh, yes there is. It's sad that you are too dishonest or stupid to be able to identify and take responsibility for your behaviour, but I always look on the bright side - it makes you so much easier to mock.
Joe, the existentialist troll. :lol:
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Joe
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....ok.

I just honestly felt the thread sucked.
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I'm freezing
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Silk
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FINALLY! A bit of honesty.
"We'll try being kinder if you'll try being smarter"
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Eral
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Thanks Silk. I feel really endorsed. :lol:

Joe:
1. you are the man who congratulated discharger on his fab sense of humour. Your opinion has less currency than a copper penny.
2. We expect better here. Say something witty or intelligent or don't say anything at all.
3. your reply was so completely without entertainment value Regullus wept. And you weren't even sorry. I think people who don't show respect for Regullus are the forum equivalent of an earwig.

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Silk
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As I've just been overrun by ants who seem to think my mouse is delicious, I'd say lower than an ant.
"We'll try being kinder if you'll try being smarter"
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