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Discovery Channel Documentary; Lost Tomb of Jesus
Topic Started: Feb 26 2007, 06:43 AM (193 Views)
Eral
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http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/tomb/tomb.html

All the articles quote a professor who says "it's a fairy tale", but don't say why he believes this. Right at the very end of the Discussion section, they do. His reason: Jesus was from Galilee. His family would be buried there, not Jerusalem.

All of the material supporting the hypotheses is pretty slight. But it is a nice story.

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Add into that the fact that he's supposed to be in heaven.
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Eral
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Well, the heaven thing has always been a bit iffy, if you ask me. The Resurrection? We've got the story solid. But the Ascension is kind of a loose end. "And then he disappeared." Right. <_<

Of course, the idea of Jesus rising from the dead and then settling down to a life of obscurity, yet living with his mother and therefore known to the wider family, with nobody recognising him or noticing the scars in his hands and feet, and apparently feeling no need to preach again, well, that's a bit iffy too.

The reason we have all this trouble now is, nobody bothered to keep records of what the women did. Now we have people suggesting that bits in the Bible aren't true and everybody getting upset. :rolleyes:
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Oh, it's all a bunch of hooey, but they'll sell a lot because it's got Jesus in the title. Frankly, I don't care much, one way or the other, but a historian in our news story basically says, look, when they built this tomb, there would have been about 200 boxes in there. It's just coincidence that these 10 were still there, who knows whether they have any connection whatsoever? And another historian points out that all of the names are pretty bloody common. I mean, how many Marys did Jesus know? (And I'm not talking in a Biblical sense!)

It's all pretty silly and I won't waste my time watching the documentary.

Here's our story:

The Last Tomb of Jesus
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Eral
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Good article. :)

I keep wondering why people say bones would disprove the resurrection. They would disprove the ascension. It's completely different.

The docu makers are just :potstirrer:. They know they don't have DNA evidence proving anything.
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Eral
Feb 28 2007, 12:31 AM
I keep wondering why people say bones would disprove the resurrection. They would disprove the ascension. It's completely different.

I don't know. If they found Christ's bones (and could prove it) I'd consider it pretty strong evidence against the resurrection..... especially considering that spontaneously returning from the dead and bodily ascending into heaven rank about evenly on my absurd-o-meter.

Then there's the thing about the first son of the pharaoh referenced in exodus actually reached adulthood and was killed by blunt trauma to the back of the head.......
Poor baby. Couldn't find a fight anywhere else so you had to come here, huh. -Cyber.
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Eral
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The bones don't prove there was no resurrection. Who's to say Jesus didn't die twice?
The bones would only prove there was no resurrection if we could tell from them how old Jesus was when he died.
I think there's still plenty of elbow room for people to continue believing in the resurrection, if they want to.

Do tell about the first son of Pharoah. :huh:
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I think I heard about this a while ago, not the docu but the discovery and the conclusion was it was unlikely the tomb belonged to the Jesus.

I was watching a docu about the last days of Einstein but I never really got to watch because my daughter wasn't that interested but apparently he believed in God and was trying to prove it or more accurately, disprove one of his theories that had the inadvertant consequence of pointing to a lack of a god. Something said in the docu struck me, apparently it is theoretically possible to walk across a road, disintegrate and reintegrate on Mars, disintegrate again and return to the road.

IMO, which is completely worthless, if that's possible than a god is possible.

Hey Drew. Long time no read. :)
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I'd like to add that at this point I have taken my Spider Jerusalem action figure and tied his wrist to my Cassidy (from Preacher) action figure just so I can work out which positions are feasible with them and which aren't.

Read that and weep, internet. Weep!

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Hey. Eral, the first son of the Pharaoh who was in power during the plagues sent by Moses should hav5e been dead of no known cause and should have been a child when he died, if Exodus is to be believed. Well, we found this guy's tomb......and he actually reached adulthood and died of blunt trauma to the back of the head according to the forensics experts who examined the body.

Regarding my take on the resurrection....... in my opinion, definitive proof that one impossible, supernatural event alluded to in the bible didn't happen calls every impossible, supernatural event in the bible into question. Catching people (or ancient holy texts) in lies tends to diminish their credibility in my eyes, at least.
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Eral
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I'm betting that story wasn't splashed across Jewish websites. Everybody kept very quiet about it. :rolleyes: The explanation for it is probably that the first born baby who died didn't get a full tomb to himself because he was never Pharoah, and the tomb they found was the second son. :wink:

Proof that Jesus never rose would be a tomb in Jerusalem full of the bones of other convicted criminals. I don't think his bones would have placed in the family tomb, because that would have been an honourable burial. And also, his family tomb would have been in Galilee.

The Bible is full of impossible events. It's a collection of stories. The problems with faith crises arise because people aren't taught about the allegorical nature of the stories. It probably doesn't matter if the Angel of Death didn't strike down Pharoah's first born: the important bit is the Passover meal.
The story of the resurrection is meant to be the clincher about Jesus: he was the Son of God, as foretold in the prophecies. I'd suggest that even if you don't buy the story, that doesn't negate his basic message.






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Eral
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_children_of_Ramesses_II

Hmm. What do you think? Still researching, one mention of "first born" meaning "higher class". Also, some people think another Pharoah was the Exodus one.

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At ten years of age, Seti recognized Ramses as "Eldest Kings Son," even though there were no other sons, for Ramses older brother died young.

Apparently, it was common to get the title "first born" when old enough to take up duties.
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Jesus tomb film scholars backtrack
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I'd like to add that at this point I have taken my Spider Jerusalem action figure and tied his wrist to my Cassidy (from Preacher) action figure just so I can work out which positions are feasible with them and which aren't.

Read that and weep, internet. Weep!

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Eral
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Oh, big surprise. :rolf:
I would respect them so much more if they stood doggedly by their claims no matter how wrong they were.
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