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What lists would like to see added to ICM?
Topic Started: May 7 2011, 02:06 PM (21,305 Views)
Knaldskalle	May 27 2011, 06:49 AM Post #41
Walk of Fame Posts: 2,429 Group: Moderators Member #42 Joined: 9 May 2011	intothewild May 27 2011, 12:43 AM Crinderman May 27 2011, 12:39 AM I think we should all PM ICM and ask for this list. Would be a magnificant inclusion. As we will be getting an Eclisse list soon I'm sure they will stack up with a few others as well. What do you guys say? Sounds like a good idea. Perhaps we could use the forum to try and suggest lists that prove to be popular on here? What's the best tactic for getting a list added to ICM? I think putting up a poll here might be a better idea and then point out the result of the poll to the guys, stressing the number of votes (or something like that). I like the list and would vote for it, but I'm not going to participate in some campaign to persuade Erik and Piet by flooding them with PMs. Wasn't it via a poll that the Oscarnominations lists were added? Do it in two steps, have people submit specific list suggestions (like in this thread) and then vote on them later.



AdamH	May 27 2011, 06:57 AM Post #42
Administrator & Associate Producer Posts: 6,368 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: 5 May 2011	Yeah, I'd rather go down the forum route than the PM one as I think you could more easily demonstrate an interest in the list on here rather than have a bunch of people sending PMs. Erik's a member on here too so I could send him a link. On the old (and now deleted) FB group there was a nominations process for new lists to be added then secret voting and calculating the results and other complicated things. I'd rather have it so that everyone can discuss what they'd like to add and we could have a public poll in the end. Even if the lists don't get added then we can still discuss them here and they'd be able to be added on 2.0 Whilst I think having lists like Best Picture nominations are worthwhile to ICM I'd personally rather see new and different lists like ones for documentaries or that "Film as a Subversive Art" one. Something very different from the usual lists. Edited by AdamH, May 27 2011, 07:00 AM.



monty	May 27 2011, 10:59 AM Post #43
Courtesy of the IMDB Mafia Posts: 3,577 Group: Members Member #34 Joined: 9 May 2011	intothewild May 27 2011, 06:57 AM Whilst I think having lists like Best Picture nominations are worthwhile to ICM I'd personally rather see new and different lists like ones for documentaries or that "Film as a Subversive Art" one. Something very different from the usual lists. I totally agree.



mightysparks	May 27 2011, 11:24 AM Post #44
Aristotle versus Mashy Spike Plate Posts: 12,078 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: 5 May 2011	I'd like another list on exploitation/grindhouse, or something similar. Also some more country related ones; as unpatriotic as I am, I'd like to see an Australian list because I've hardly seen any Aussie movies (and seen even fewer good ones). I found these three: http://www.film.org.au/ (on the left) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Film_Institute_Award_for_Best_Film (although I hadn't even heard of this award until last year. And also, I think 2 of the winners I gave a 1/10, so who knows how good this list is. Not to mention I've only seen 6 and only heard of a few others ). http://www.listsofbests.com/list/42426-100-greatest-films-of-australian-cinema?page=1 (seen a huge 14%! Though I would probably say I like this one the most) And like others have said, a documentary and musicals list although personally I'm not really interested in either, both deserve better lists. Edited by mightysparks, May 27 2011, 12:06 PM.



swoon	May 27 2011, 01:49 PM Post #45
Actor Posts: 92 Group: Members Member #44 Joined: 10 May 2011	Yea a poll would be cool. I want to see what other lists are out there before as well.



St. Gloede	May 27 2011, 03:21 PM Post #46
The Obsessed Listmaking Slut Posts: 5,997 Group: Moderators Member #7 Joined: 6 May 2011	I definitely agree. A new poll would be great! And Lauren, that top 100 looks pretty good. And I've seen 19 of them You suck at being Australian Edited by St. Gloede, May 27 2011, 03:24 PM.



Kasparius.	May 27 2011, 03:30 PM Post #47
Extra Posts: 0 Group: Deleted Member #4 Joined: 5 May 2011	I've seen 22 and there are a bunch of good ones missing. The Road Warrior, for instance.



Kasparius.	May 27 2011, 03:30 PM Post #48
Extra Posts: 0 Group: Deleted Member #4 Joined: 5 May 2011	Would LOVE a new poll.



BaalMan	May 27 2011, 04:02 PM Post #49
Extra Posts: 22 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 17 May 2011	Knaldskalle swoon 26 May 2011, 06:10 PM BaalMan 26 May 2011, 02:52 PM Kasparius I would like a really obscure list myself. what about the book Film as a Subversive Art by Amos Vogel? http://www.angoleiro.com/sbnb.cgi?l=1 seems like a good mix of obscure and known stuff. 600 films is a lot though. It's on Lists of Bests as well, but with "only" 478 entries. Dunno if something's missing (and if so, what and where). I counted 115 films with no IMDB entry. I also realized about half of the films are totally unknown to me



tourdesb	May 27 2011, 11:21 PM Post #50
Oscar Winner Posts: 971 Group: Moderators Member #8 Joined: 7 May 2011	I agree that we need a documentary list.



AdamH	May 27 2011, 11:50 PM Post #51
Administrator & Associate Producer Posts: 6,368 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: 5 May 2011	tourdesb May 27 2011, 11:21 PM I agree that we need a documentary list. I'm glad there's some support on here for this. Even if you're not into documentaries then I still think you might be able to see that it's a good idea to have at least one non-IMDB list on them. I voted for the documentary ones on the old FB group vote but it seemed to mainly be the more well known lists that won like Best Picture nominees.



mjf314	May 28 2011, 12:22 AM Post #52
Walk of Fame Posts: 3,997 Group: Moderators Member #27 Joined: 9 May 2011	swoon May 27 2011, 01:49 PM Yea a poll would be cool. I want to see what other lists are out there before as well. You can look through my spreadsheet to find lists to nominate: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AhCbA3xledPhdHdsR2ZDZEozaXAtcHZtRTJCSFFRMWc It includes pretty much all of the lists that have been mentioned on either the FB group or the forum, and many others (if I missed any, let me know). I think the problem with a poll is that the general lists have an advantage, even though the more specific lists (genre or country) are more interesting. It might be a good idea to do a poll for genre lists, a poll for country lists, and a poll for general lists.



AdamH	May 28 2011, 12:51 AM Post #53
Administrator & Associate Producer Posts: 6,368 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: 5 May 2011	mjf314 May 28 2011, 12:22 AM swoon May 27 2011, 01:49 PM Yea a poll would be cool. I want to see what other lists are out there before as well. You can look through my spreadsheet to find lists to nominate: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AhCbA3xledPhdHdsR2ZDZEozaXAtcHZtRTJCSFFRMWc It includes pretty much all of the lists that have been mentioned on either the FB group or the forum, and many others (if I missed any, let me know). I think the problem with a poll is that the general lists have an advantage, even though the more specific lists (genre or country) are more interesting. It might be a good idea to do a poll for genre lists, a poll for country lists, and a poll for general lists. I had been thinking that it might be an idea to do separate one for more general lists like Oscar winners and another for more obscure lists. Otherwise the results might be predictable and ignore the types of lists that are missing from ICM. Suppose we can see what the general opinion is anyway before any kind of poll.



swoon	May 28 2011, 05:53 AM Post #54
Actor Posts: 92 Group: Members Member #44 Joined: 10 May 2011	there's a lot of awful stuff on that spreadsheet. maybe we should just focus on pushing one list through.



mjf314	May 28 2011, 07:02 AM Post #55
Walk of Fame Posts: 3,997 Group: Moderators Member #27 Joined: 9 May 2011	I agree that many of the lists are bad, and I definitely wouldn't suggest nominating all of them. Maybe we can narrow it down to 1 list per genre/country and then run a poll with just those lists.



mjf314	May 28 2011, 07:12 AM Post #56
Walk of Fame Posts: 3,997 Group: Moderators Member #27 Joined: 9 May 2011	What does everyone think of CFB's Greatest Movies by Country? Should they be combined into one big list and made into an official iCM list? Would it be better to add only some of them? Or are they not suitable for iCM because they're not critic lists? Also, what does everyone think of The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs' Top French Films? Is it better or worse than The Times' list? This comparison should've been done sooner, but unfortunately I didn't know about the French Ministry list until recently. Edited by mjf314, May 28 2011, 07:21 AM.



Forrester	Jun 4 2011, 04:45 PM Post #57
Lead Role Posts: 117 Group: Members Member #79 Joined: 17 May 2011	Other critics lists: James Berardinelli's Top 100: http://www.reelviews.net/top100/toc.html Doug Walker's (http://www.tgwtg.com) Top 20: http://my.spill.com/group/fansofthatguywiththeglasses/forum/topics/doug-walkers-top-20-favorite?xg_source=activity James Rolfe (http://www.cinemassacre.com) Top 30: http://haze-man.blogspot.com/2010/09/james-rolfes-top-30-movies.html



Local Hero -- aka MestnyiGeroi	Jun 4 2011, 11:56 PM Post #58
Walk of Fame Posts: 4,098 Group: Members Member #136 Joined: 29 May 2011	I agree with others that the best idea is to establish a list of would-be lists to add and have a poll on here, and then present the winner(s)/poll results to the ICM guys. By the way, my first vote would be to expand the Silent Era list to its full 300 rather than the truncated 100 that they have on here, but I realize I might be in a minority on that one. (But that's why a poll is a good idea.)



3eyes	Jun 6 2011, 01:04 AM Post #59
Crone Posts: 1,116 Group: Members Member #91 Joined: 18 May 2011	mjf314 May 28 2011, 07:12 AM What does everyone think of CFB's Greatest Movies by Country? Should they be combined into one big list and made into an official iCM list? Would it be better to add only some of them? Or are they not suitable for iCM because they're not critic lists? Also, what does everyone think of The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs' Top French Films? Is it better or worse than The Times' list? This comparison should've been done sooner, but unfortunately I didn't know about the French Ministry list until recently. Quote: What does everyone think of CFB's Greatest Movies by Country? Should they be combined into one big list and made into an official iCM list? Would it be better to add only some of them? Or are they not suitable for iCM because they're not critic lists? I don't know the credentials of the person who made this, but it seems useful. IMDb used to have useful lists by country but now adds in American/international movies that were partly filmed in the country in question, so it's impossible to get a decent country list any more. I'd like longer country lists -- Iran is essential imo -- but this would at least be a start, I suppose.



tommy_leazaq	Jun 8 2011, 08:01 AM Post #60
Walk of Fame Posts: 1,292 Group: Members Member #98 Joined: 18 May 2011	I'd like to see the list of "National Award for Best Film" Winners of India. Nationa Award for Best Film winners This list represents Indian cinema way better than the one already present in the ICM site (Top 100 Bollywoord movies)".



mjf314	Jun 8 2011, 08:43 AM Post #61
Walk of Fame Posts: 3,997 Group: Moderators Member #27 Joined: 9 May 2011	3eyes Jun 6 2011, 01:04 AM I don't know the credentials of the person who made this, but it seems useful. I don't know exactly who it was, but it was a group of people from the IMDb Classic Film Board (the same board where they make the Doubling the Canon lists). Edited by mjf314, Jun 8 2011, 08:44 AM.



mrbungle	Jun 24 2011, 06:49 PM Post #62
Supporting Actor Posts: 26 Group: Members Member #201 Joined: 22 June 2011	Here are a few lists that I think are needed. 1. Documentary List - I'm in full agreement that a more comprehensive list is needed here!! 2. Silent Movies - I think that the Top 100 should be expanded. 3. Animation - A more comprehensive animation list is needed for both feature length and short animated features. 4. Pre-Code - This is a great genre that I enjoy tremendously and very few if any are captured on other lists. 5. Drive-in/B-Movies - I'm sure this would overlap somewhat with the large horror list....but many new films could be captured. 6. Comedy Shorts - There is virtually no love for The Stooges, Our Gang, Laurel & Hardy, Robert Benchley even Chaplin & Keaton shorts on any of the current lists. There must be some sort of list somewhere!! Edited by mrbungle, Jun 24 2011, 09:23 PM.



MMAlpha	Jun 25 2011, 12:03 AM Post #63
Lead Role Posts: 132 Group: Members Member #147 Joined: 3 June 2011	For people looking for a list of 'bad' films, far more interesting than the IMDb Bottom 100 would be the AV Club's 'My Year of Flops': http://www.avclub.com/features/my-year-of-flops/ It is a personal collection by AV Club contributor Nathan Rabin who originally planned on spending a year 'celebrating some of the biggest critical and commercial flops in film history', but has kept updating at irregular intervals for four years. Think of it as the opposite of Ebert's Great Movies. Not every film on this list is horrible, some are even very enjoyable (The Hudsucker Proxy is on this list). Each article is well worth a read, too. We have the AV Club's New Cult Canon on iCM, after all. Edited by MMAlpha, Jun 25 2011, 12:04 AM.



tristanb	Jun 29 2011, 12:06 AM Post #64
Extra Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #47 Joined: 10 May 2011	Perhaps this is biased because of where I live, but I would absolutely love to see a list of Genie Award winners for Best Picture! Canadian cinema has some delightful (and unexpected) gems.



George Bailey	Jun 29 2011, 03:29 AM Post #65
Nana Mouskouri fan! Posts: 3,119 Group: Members Member #9 Joined: 7 May 2011	Would be awesome to see a list of Best Foreign Pictures Nominees



sebby	Jul 13 2011, 05:06 PM Post #66
Established Miscreant Posts: 1,797 Group: Members Member #228 Joined: 4 July 2011	I fully support a documentary list, as well as a documentary shorts list. In addition, I think it's a good idea to add lists for countries that have rich cinema that, for one reason or another, is woefully underseen. I'd nominate Poland and Australia. I don't think we need more lists for countries like France or Russia at this point.



Kasparius.	Jul 13 2011, 05:10 PM Post #67
Extra Posts: 0 Group: Deleted Member #4 Joined: 5 May 2011	I think France needs a better list, there are arguably enough great French fils on ICM lists, but the lists themselves (C�sards and Time Out) are really not good. And I second Polish and Australian lists, that would be great. Edited by Kasparius., Jul 13 2011, 05:10 PM.



mjf314	Jul 13 2011, 05:23 PM Post #68
Walk of Fame Posts: 3,997 Group: Moderators Member #27 Joined: 9 May 2011	Here's a Polish list (although it's a constantly-changing list so it's not really suitable for iCM): http://www.filmweb.pl/rankings/film/poland



sebby	Jul 14 2011, 01:11 AM Post #69
Established Miscreant Posts: 1,797 Group: Members Member #228 Joined: 4 July 2011	100 Years of Polish Film This list is a fantastic overview of Polish cinema. Not sure about the availability of some of the older titles, though.



mjf314	Jul 14 2011, 01:20 AM Post #70
Walk of Fame Posts: 3,997 Group: Moderators Member #27 Joined: 9 May 2011	Nice find. I'll add it to my spreadsheet.



monty	Jul 14 2011, 01:21 AM Post #71
Courtesy of the IMDB Mafia Posts: 3,577 Group: Members Member #34 Joined: 9 May 2011	Strange that nobody has mentioned this essential list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Raspberry_Award_for_Worst_Picture Its inclusion would be a nice addition to ICM, don't you think? Edited by monty, Jul 14 2011, 01:23 AM.



Kasparius.	Jul 14 2011, 02:04 AM Post #72
Extra Posts: 0 Group: Deleted Member #4 Joined: 5 May 2011	monty Jul 14 2011, 01:21 AM Strange that nobody has mentioned this essential list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Raspberry_Award_for_Worst_Picture Its inclusion would be a nice addition to ICM, don't you think? Are you having a laugh? I know we talked about this before but I don't think worst of lists should be officially included. I assume you were joking , Monty.



allisoncm	Jul 14 2011, 03:06 AM Post #73
Manic Listmaker Posts: 9,415 Group: Members Member #58 Joined: 11 May 2011	I seem to be late to the party, but I agree that the Amos Vogel list should be added. I left my copy of the book in France quite accidentally, along with Jonathan Rosenbaum's Essentials. Grr! But I had already added a lot of the Vogel films to my "subversive" folder at IMDB. It'd be nice if there were an official list at ICM!!!!!!!!! !!!!! x100



Pinhead	Jul 15 2011, 07:17 PM Post #74
Extra Posts: 2 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 15 July 2011	amos vogel's film as a subversive art list



Kasparius.	Jul 15 2011, 07:26 PM Post #75
Extra Posts: 0 Group: Deleted Member #4 Joined: 5 May 2011	Pinhead Jul 15 2011, 07:17 PM amos vogel's film as a subversive art list I would love to see that list on ICM I'm going to start a thread. Edited by Kasparius., Jul 15 2011, 07:27 PM.



Kongeslask	Jul 16 2011, 02:44 PM Post #76
Lead Role Posts: 114 Group: Members Member #20 Joined: 8 May 2011	Even if it perhaps is a bit too biased in favour of Japanese animation, this seems to be a pretty decent animation list.



mjf314	Jul 18 2011, 12:12 AM Post #77
Walk of Fame Posts: 3,997 Group: Moderators Member #27 Joined: 9 May 2011	Kongeslask Jul 16 2011, 02:44 PM Even if it perhaps is a bit too biased in favour of Japanese animation, this seems to be a pretty decent animation list. Agreed, it's a good list. I've been slowly working my way through it for a long time, and I've seen about 2/3 of it so far. It'll probably be the first list I add to iCM when 2.0 gets launched.



mjf314	Jul 26 2011, 11:09 PM Post #78
Walk of Fame Posts: 3,997 Group: Moderators Member #27 Joined: 9 May 2011	I found some more anime lists: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-09-23/tv-asahi-top-100-anime-part-2 http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-09-23/tv-asahi-top-100-anime http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2006-10-13/japan's-favorite-tv-anime http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~leon/mi/docs/raapoll94.txt http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~leon/mi/docs/raapoll95.txt Edit: And another one: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2001-01-15/animage-top-100-anime-listing (this list is sorted by category and not ranked) Edit: And two more: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2001-07-16/wizard-lists-top-50-anime http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/16520 Edited by mjf314, Jul 26 2011, 11:59 PM.



bal3x	Jul 26 2011, 11:18 PM Post #79
Resident Lumet Guru Posts: 7,273 Group: Members Member #127 Joined: 26 May 2011	Documentaries and Polish lists would be most welcome! The more lists the better!



Cippenham	Jul 31 2011, 07:45 AM Post #80
The Godfather Posts: 4,084 Group: Members Member #32 Joined: 9 May 2011	The website Brtimovie.co.uk has a list based on users's votes of the top 100 British films: Britmovie



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