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The thread where we post links to lists; (and also discuss those lists)
Topic Started: May 7 2011, 01:06 PM (42,501 Views)
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May 26 2011, 11:43 PM
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May 26 2011, 11:39 PM
I think we should all PM ICM and ask for this list. Would be a magnificant inclusion. As we will be getting an Eclisse list soon I'm sure they will stack up with a few others as well.

What do you guys say?
Sounds like a good idea. Perhaps we could use the forum to try and suggest lists that prove to be popular on here? What's the best tactic for getting a list added to ICM?
I think putting up a poll here might be a better idea and then point out the result of the poll to the guys, stressing the number of votes (or something like that). I like the list and would vote for it, but I'm not going to participate in some campaign to persuade Erik and Piet by flooding them with PMs.

Wasn't it via a poll that the Oscarnominations lists were added? Do it in two steps, have people submit specific list suggestions (like in this thread) and then vote on them later.
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Yeah, I'd rather go down the forum route than the PM one as I think you could more easily demonstrate an interest in the list on here rather than have a bunch of people sending PMs. Erik's a member on here too so I could send him a link.

On the old (and now deleted) FB group there was a nominations process for new lists to be added then secret voting and calculating the results and other complicated things. I'd rather have it so that everyone can discuss what they'd like to add and we could have a public poll in the end. Even if the lists don't get added then we can still discuss them here and they'd be able to be added on 2.0

Whilst I think having lists like Best Picture nominations are worthwhile to ICM I'd personally rather see new and different lists like ones for documentaries or that "Film as a Subversive Art" one. Something very different from the usual lists.
Edited by AdamH, May 27 2011, 06:00 AM.
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May 27 2011, 05:57 AM
Whilst I think having lists like Best Picture nominations are worthwhile to ICM I'd personally rather see new and different lists like ones for documentaries or that "Film as a Subversive Art" one. Something very different from the usual lists.
I totally agree.
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I'd like another list on exploitation/grindhouse, or something similar. Also some more country related ones; as unpatriotic as I am, I'd like to see an Australian list because I've hardly seen any Aussie movies (and seen even fewer good ones).

I found these three:
http://www.film.org.au/ (on the left)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Film_Institute_Award_for_Best_Film (although I hadn't even heard of this award until last year. And also, I think 2 of the winners I gave a 1/10, so who knows how good this list is. Not to mention I've only seen 6 and only heard of a few others :P ).
http://www.listsofbests.com/list/42426-100-greatest-films-of-australian-cinema?page=1 (seen a huge 14%! Though I would probably say I like this one the most)

And like others have said, a documentary and musicals list although personally I'm not really interested in either, both deserve better lists.
Edited by mightysparks, May 27 2011, 11:06 AM.
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Yea a poll would be cool. I want to see what other lists are out there before as well.
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I definitely agree. A new poll would be great!

And Lauren, that top 100 looks pretty good. And I've seen 19 of them ;)

You suck at being Australian :P
Edited by St. Gloede, May 27 2011, 02:24 PM.
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I've seen 22 and there are a bunch of good ones missing.

The Road Warrior, for instance.
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Would LOVE a new poll.
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I would like a really obscure list myself.




what about the book Film as a Subversive Art by Amos Vogel?


http://www.angoleiro.com/sbnb.cgi?l=1

seems like a good mix of obscure and known stuff.

600 films is a lot though.


It's on Lists of Bests as well, but with "only" 478 entries. Dunno if something's missing (and if so, what and where).


I counted 115 films with no IMDB entry.
I also realized about half of the films are totally unknown to me
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I agree that we need a documentary list.
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May 27 2011, 10:21 PM
I agree that we need a documentary list.
I'm glad there's some support on here for this. Even if you're not into documentaries then I still think you might be able to see that it's a good idea to have at least one non-IMDB list on them.

I voted for the documentary ones on the old FB group vote but it seemed to mainly be the more well known lists that won like Best Picture nominees.
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May 27 2011, 12:49 PM
Yea a poll would be cool. I want to see what other lists are out there before as well.
You can look through my spreadsheet to find lists to nominate: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AhCbA3xledPhdHdsR2ZDZEozaXAtcHZtRTJCSFFRMWc

It includes pretty much all of the lists that have been mentioned on either the FB group or the forum, and many others (if I missed any, let me know).

I think the problem with a poll is that the general lists have an advantage, even though the more specific lists (genre or country) are more interesting. It might be a good idea to do a poll for genre lists, a poll for country lists, and a poll for general lists.
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mjf314
May 27 2011, 11:22 PM
swoon
May 27 2011, 12:49 PM
Yea a poll would be cool. I want to see what other lists are out there before as well.
You can look through my spreadsheet to find lists to nominate: https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AhCbA3xledPhdHdsR2ZDZEozaXAtcHZtRTJCSFFRMWc

It includes pretty much all of the lists that have been mentioned on either the FB group or the forum, and many others (if I missed any, let me know).

I think the problem with a poll is that the general lists have an advantage, even though the more specific lists (genre or country) are more interesting. It might be a good idea to do a poll for genre lists, a poll for country lists, and a poll for general lists.
I had been thinking that it might be an idea to do separate one for more general lists like Oscar winners and another for more obscure lists. Otherwise the results might be predictable and ignore the types of lists that are missing from ICM. Suppose we can see what the general opinion is anyway before any kind of poll.
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there's a lot of awful stuff on that spreadsheet. maybe we should just focus on pushing one list through.
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I agree that many of the lists are bad, and I definitely wouldn't suggest nominating all of them. Maybe we can narrow it down to 1 list per genre/country and then run a poll with just those lists.
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What does everyone think of CFB's Greatest Movies by Country? Should they be combined into one big list and made into an official iCM list? Would it be better to add only some of them? Or are they not suitable for iCM because they're not critic lists?

Also, what does everyone think of The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs' Top French Films? Is it better or worse than The Times' list? This comparison should've been done sooner, but unfortunately I didn't know about the French Ministry list until recently.
Edited by mjf314, May 28 2011, 06:21 AM.
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Other critics lists:

James Berardinelli's Top 100: http://www.reelviews.net/top100/toc.html
Doug Walker's (http://www.tgwtg.com) Top 20: http://my.spill.com/group/fansofthatguywiththeglasses/forum/topics/doug-walkers-top-20-favorite?xg_source=activity
James Rolfe (http://www.cinemassacre.com) Top 30: http://haze-man.blogspot.com/2010/09/james-rolfes-top-30-movies.html
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I agree with others that the best idea is to establish a list of would-be lists to add and have a poll on here, and then present the winner(s)/poll results to the ICM guys.

By the way, my first vote would be to expand the Silent Era list to its full 300 rather than the truncated 100 that they have on here, but I realize I might be in a minority on that one. (But that's why a poll is a good idea.)
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mjf314
May 28 2011, 06:12 AM
What does everyone think of CFB's Greatest Movies by Country? Should they be combined into one big list and made into an official iCM list? Would it be better to add only some of them? Or are they not suitable for iCM because they're not critic lists?

Also, what does everyone think of The French Ministry of Foreign Affairs' Top French Films? Is it better or worse than The Times' list? This comparison should've been done sooner, but unfortunately I didn't know about the French Ministry list until recently.
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What does everyone think of CFB's Greatest Movies by Country? Should they be combined into one big list and made into an official iCM list? Would it be better to add only some of them? Or are they not suitable for iCM because they're not critic lists?


I don't know the credentials of the person who made this, but it seems useful. IMDb used to have useful lists by country but now adds in American/international movies that were partly filmed in the country in question, so it's impossible to get a decent country list any more.

I'd like longer country lists -- Iran is essential imo -- but this would at least be a start, I suppose.
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I'd like to see the list of "National Award for Best Film" Winners of India.
Nationa Award for Best Film winners


This list represents Indian cinema way better than the one already present in the ICM site (Top 100 Bollywoord movies)".
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Jun 6 2011, 12:04 AM
I don't know the credentials of the person who made this, but it seems useful.
I don't know exactly who it was, but it was a group of people from the IMDb Classic Film Board (the same board where they make the Doubling the Canon lists).
Edited by mjf314, Jun 8 2011, 07:44 AM.
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Here are a few lists that I think are needed.

1. Documentary List - I'm in full agreement that a more comprehensive list is needed here!!
2. Silent Movies - I think that the Top 100 should be expanded.
3. Animation - A more comprehensive animation list is needed for both feature length and short animated features.
4. Pre-Code - This is a great genre that I enjoy tremendously and very few if any are captured on other lists.
5. Drive-in/B-Movies - I'm sure this would overlap somewhat with the large horror list....but many new films could be captured.
6. Comedy Shorts - There is virtually no love for The Stooges, Our Gang, Laurel & Hardy, Robert Benchley even Chaplin & Keaton shorts on any of the current lists. There must be some sort of list somewhere!!
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For people looking for a list of 'bad' films, far more interesting than the IMDb Bottom 100 would be the AV Club's 'My Year of Flops': http://www.avclub.com/features/my-year-of-flops/

It is a personal collection by AV Club contributor Nathan Rabin who originally planned on spending a year 'celebrating some of the biggest critical and commercial flops in film history', but has kept updating at irregular intervals for four years. Think of it as the opposite of Ebert's Great Movies. Not every film on this list is horrible, some are even very enjoyable (The Hudsucker Proxy is on this list). Each article is well worth a read, too.

We have the AV Club's New Cult Canon on iCM, after all.
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Perhaps this is biased because of where I live, but I would absolutely love to see a list of Genie Award winners for Best Picture! Canadian cinema has some delightful (and unexpected) gems. :)
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Would be awesome to see a list of Best Foreign Pictures Nominees :)
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I fully support a documentary list, as well as a documentary shorts list.

In addition, I think it's a good idea to add lists for countries that have rich cinema that, for one reason or another, is woefully underseen. I'd nominate Poland and Australia. I don't think we need more lists for countries like France or Russia at this point.
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I think France needs a better list, there are arguably enough great French fils on ICM lists, but the lists themselves (Césards and Time Out) are really not good.

And I second Polish and Australian lists, that would be great.
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Here's a Polish list (although it's a constantly-changing list so it's not really suitable for iCM):

http://www.filmweb.pl/rankings/film/poland
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100 Years of Polish Film

This list is a fantastic overview of Polish cinema. Not sure about the availability of some of the older titles, though.
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Nice find. I'll add it to my spreadsheet.
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Strange that nobody has mentioned this essential list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Raspberry_Award_for_Worst_Picture
Its inclusion would be a nice addition to ICM, don't you think?
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Strange that nobody has mentioned this essential list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Raspberry_Award_for_Worst_Picture
Its inclusion would be a nice addition to ICM, don't you think?
Are you having a laugh?

I know we talked about this before but I don't think worst of lists should be officially included. I assume you were joking , Monty.
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I seem to be late to the party, but I agree that the Amos Vogel list should be added. I left my copy of the book in France quite accidentally, along with Jonathan Rosenbaum's Essentials. Grr! But I had already added a lot of the Vogel films to my "subversive" folder at IMDB. It'd be nice if there were an official list at ICM!!!!!!!!! !!!!! x100
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amos vogel's film as a subversive art list
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amos vogel's film as a subversive art list
I would love to see that list on ICM

I'm going to start a thread.
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Even if it perhaps is a bit too biased in favour of Japanese animation, this seems to be a pretty decent animation list.
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Even if it perhaps is a bit too biased in favour of Japanese animation, this seems to be a pretty decent animation list.
Agreed, it's a good list. I've been slowly working my way through it for a long time, and I've seen about 2/3 of it so far. It'll probably be the first list I add to iCM when 2.0 gets launched.
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I found some more anime lists:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-09-23/tv-asahi-top-100-anime-part-2
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-09-23/tv-asahi-top-100-anime
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2006-10-13/japan's-favorite-tv-anime

http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~leon/mi/docs/raapoll94.txt
http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~leon/mi/docs/raapoll95.txt

Edit: And another one: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2001-01-15/animage-top-100-anime-listing (this list is sorted by category and not ranked)

Edit: And two more:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2001-07-16/wizard-lists-top-50-anime
http://community.us.playstation.com/thread/16520
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Documentaries and Polish lists would be most welcome! The more lists the better! :)
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The website Brtimovie.co.uk has a list based on users's votes of the top 100 British films:
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