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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 7 2008, 11:44 AM (1,784 Views) | |
| luke42 | Jan 17 2008, 06:26 PM Post #16 |
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First of all Klayton, no hard feelings at all. This has become a debate that has involved us disagreeing about this particular element in the project. Of course we are discussing something that won't take effect until late season 2 - most, if not all season 3. But it's good that we're getting a good start on this issue and trying to resolve it before we have to start writing season 2. It's something that needs to be addressed. So you said that Tommy may not be interested in Kimi or Lil because they are considered Tom-boys. They are not the girly-girl types like Olivia, Anita, Rachel, etc. So what was up with the look he gave Kimi in TP + KF? Obviously he has a crush on her/has feelings for her. There's got to be interest there. Tommy and Kimi have similar personalities - in fact, I think fans have descirbed her as being a female version of Tommy because she has similar strengths as Tommy does personality-wise. I think those two have compatibilities that could make an ideal couple. The thing is, they will be pairing up when they're in high school, as acepilot said; not the most ideal time to be paired up because people get together/break-up quite frequently. And these couples won't be lasting very long - at least that's been our preliminary discussions on this. Klayton, you point out that you are not in favor of an Angelica/Chuckie pairing because Angelica is one year older than Chuckie. Well, Chuckie is one year older than Lil. Are you not in favor of the C/A pairing because the female character is older than the male (by one year)? Whatever the case, I think C/A is just as logical in happening as C/L would be. Some of the secondary characters I can see pairing with the major characters - but others just aren't that appealing to me. Harold is certainly one of those characters that I just cannot see paired up with anyone, let alone Angelica. I mean he is a nice guy and all, but Angelica continues to push him around and treat him like dirt - and he takes it! Do you honestly believe that makes for a healthy relationship? You've got to believe that eventually he'll have enough and forget about her once and for all. But he continues to take the abuse. Another character that I've never cared much for is Darryl. He's another nice guy but he's clearly blind in that he can't see beyond Angelica. Remember when it Angelica trying to get Darryl's attention? Well now it's the other way around and I've got to admit, it's pretty sad. As Ace said in his previous post regarding certain secondary characters, he's a one-joke/plot character because he keeps striking out time and time again with Angelica. There hasn't been a clear resolution to their earlier predicament and it kept being repeated in a couple of different season 5 episodes. I was glad we finally didn't have to see Darryl anymore because he became extremely annoying for me. I just don't see him working out in our project, either. Now other secondary characters like Sean, Nicole, Rachel, Wally, etc - now they have potential. If we go the route of just having the 8 main characters date secondary characters, I'd approve of those four. But, I'm still not ditching the idea of coupling T/K and P/K. I'm still in favor of doing this and think this is the direction we should go. But like I said before, this is something we're all going to have to compromise on. Another thing you mentioned, Klayton, is that any couple we do create, whether it be T/K, P/K, or C/A, that because KC never paired them up that it wouldn't ultimately make sense according to present circumstances. Are you saying that T/K wouldn't make sense, even though it was briefly hinted at in TP + KF? If there's any couple that would work in this, it would be T/K because of that. Last but not least, CDB did say he would like to be involved but would only do so part-time as he has other things he is busy with. I don't know if he has been following along with everything that has gone here in the Project section of the board or not. By the way, I did consult with Ace after I posted this and I was a bit confused about some of the things that had been decided on - namely T/K being paired up and ultimately breaking up, and then P/K not getting together at all. Now that I've got this figured out, maybe I won't make matters worse in getting everyone else confused, too. :D |
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| chuckierulz55 | Jan 17 2008, 11:25 PM Post #17 |
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Well I gotta say now that I've read you and Ace's last two posts, I do feel confused.
:D The longer we've discussed this, and the longer our posts have been, the more I struggle to understand just what's going on. Are you two saying then that you don't want Tommy OR Phil to end up in a long term relationship with Kimi? If that's what you're saying, and rather that you just want to write about Phil developing feelings for her but doesn't come forward about it or something, THAT I don't have a problem with. It's More just long term stuff that I don't think would work with those two. As for T/K, I'm in favor of either a long term relationship with those two OR just a short one, but that's what I'd prefer to see. Other than an official acknowledgement from KC I can't really put it into eloquent words why I feel this way. I just do. As for C/A and C/L, I guess I like C/L better because while it didn't occur to me that Lil is a year younger than Chuckie, it's a lot more common to see the guy older than the girl, especially in this age group. Also, you both make the argument that people change a little bit as they get older and their personalities develop different quirks and interests, so who's to say we can't write something that would make a relationship of those two more likely? I do think you make a good point that Chuckie would thrive if a strong willed woman pushed him, but I think Ang is a little too strong willed for someone like him. Also, even if she doesn't constantly crack the whip, she has also shown that she can easily conive and manipulate Chuckie into doing what she wants (IE Project Chuckie, Yu-gotta-go, Petition This!, etc.) and not only do I see it not workng, even for just a short term deal, but the last thing I want to see is my favorite character go through a relationship where he's treated poorly. Also, if we take the route you guys want to take in altering personalities a little bit, why not do so with Harold? You guys clearly don't like his character that much (and truth be told I don't care much for him either :P ), so why not modify him into someone that develops a little more backbone like he did with Susie's help? Ang clearly begged to have him around again when he did so, and besides, even though he's been like a sick puppy that keeps coming back for more abuse, I just think it would seem unjust for him to not end up with what he had been after for so long, especially when he's the only secondary character that has been their from beginning to end. I mean, Timmy Turner is kind of the same way with Trixie Tang on FOP, but nobody seems to dislike him, and I can't help but think that that show's fanbase would like to see it happen someday too. |
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| Redfern05 | Jan 18 2008, 12:08 AM Post #18 |
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I can't really see Phil & Kimi together,nor have I see any hints of those two in Rugrats or All Grown Up. |
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| acepilot | Jan 18 2008, 01:39 AM Post #19 |
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I would tend to think that the difference between Timmy and Harold is that Timmy is essentially likable. Even when Susie "trained" him, he simply transferred his sycophancy from one girl to the other - he wasn't standing up to Angelica, as much as he was simply obsessing over Susie instead. As soon as it became apparent that Susie wasn't interested in him, he leapt back to Angelica. Harold will be a character particularly hard to recover - he's what Chuckie might have been without Tommy around, I think. He was introduced for the "Pre-School Daze" aspect of Rugrats and never really properly developed beyond that - he still acts much like a pre-schooler (albeit a wimpy preschooler with a crush) in AGU. I still think C/A is interesting: Angelica's not as strong as she seems at times - she's more reliant on the gang than she looks, but I don't think she'd overpower Chuckie. He's more likely to stand up to her in a relationship because it would be more a feeling of equality for him. As for the age thing, 1 year is virtually no difference, at least, no significant difference. Angelica wouldn't treat him poorly: that's what she does to Harold. For her, Chuckie is more a fascination (resulting in Project Chuckie and others), and there she sees potential. But she comes to terms that there is no need for Chuckie to change who he is and they are friends regardless. Besides, the humour elements of C/A are rife: if you can find it, "Pretend Dates" is still the definitive C/A piece, though Jon Sario may have pulled all versions of it when he decided to focus solely on his webcomic. Every Chuckie fan should read it: no-one other than KC themselves nails the characters of Chuckie and Angelica like Jon did. No "official acknowledgement" will be forthcoming from KC, and the "look" is of dubious relevance. So, I guess we're it. Yes, what I'm after is a long-term relationship for neither pairing: I think what's been proposed is something everyone should be able to get along with without too many hard feelings. I'm glad to see that you understand what I was trying to get across now and I hope that this can end the discussion on a positive note. |
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| luke42 | Jan 18 2008, 03:58 PM Post #20 |
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Yeah, what Ace said.
:lol: I think we made some headway in this debate. So as it stands right now, T/K will not be a long-term couple, and P/K will not be paired at all. Now that that's clear, I will be ducking out. |
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| chuckierulz55 | Jan 19 2008, 01:37 AM Post #21 |
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Well now that TK vs PK has been resolved (I think...now I'm not so sure after what I heard happened with Robert in the last chat :shakehead: ) I guess we'll need to compromise the shipping aspect of Chuckie's situation as well. We've discussed the pros and cons of both Lil and Ang, but I'd also like to know how big of a deal this pairing would be to you as oppossed to TK/PK. I seem to be the only one on the board that is majorly a chuckie fan and then I'm also curious to see how the majorly ang and lil fans feel about that happening with their favorite. Also, now that we've made some progress, I'm wondering what we're going to do with wally now. Do we at the very least still plan to keep her around in the general episodes, or even experiment with more shipping stuff between her and Phil down the road? I just wanted some feedback on that. |
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| acepilot | Jan 19 2008, 08:28 AM Post #22 |
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You've gotten me thinking about the Wally thing, actually. Between dinner break and getting home, I thought of something: what if Phil, while pining after Kimi (who is with Tommy), hooked up with Wally to try and get over Kimi. It would help emphasise the jealousy he was feeling and him trying to move on, but she might either eventually realise that he's not giving his all to the relationship and end it, or might be the one to finally get him to talk about Kimi (though I think he'd talk to Lil as well). They could be revisited later, after Phil is more over Kimi, or maybe just leave it at the one plot and have them part friends. What do you think? This way, Wally can be developed into a full character and her and Phil's mutual crush is acknowledged, while having an effect on the already-discussed plots. C/A wasn't proposed as being "that big a deal", but rather something that builds up under the surface, a more natural progression for their characters rather than having a big defining moment (as was the case with the ideas for T/K). I've never read a convincing C/A fic that had them suddenly come together, but all rather evolve out of their unlikely friendship into something more. The second pairing I wrote was Chuckie/Angelica and they remain to this day one of my favourites. Angelica and Chuckie are my favourite characters behind Phil, regardless of relationships, and I've got to admit that I never even saw Lil as a potential partner for Chuckie. The only suggestion of any sort, as I said, comes as Lil sees Chuckie during an extremely uncharacteristic moment. Other than that, there is nothing to suggest they would be appropriate for each other or attracted to each other. Lil's sense of attraction seems to be more toward the cute-boy type (Brett and they guy in "The Science Pair" come to mind), while I doubt she would be "strong" enough to hold Chuckie together. Angelica and Chuckie have always made for fascinating viewing, as far back as Rugrats eps like "Cuffed" and "Driving Miss Angelica" through to more recent AGU eps like "Petition This" and "Project Chuckie". They form a chemistry which I, for one, find fascinating but simultaneously easy to write. Their relationship, as I see it, would be playful, bordering on Chuckie being a long-suffering kind of boyfriend/husband but loving it anyway because Angelica's emotions are genuine, if sometimes slightly abrasive. For a prime example (and I think Klayton will love it because it really is a fascinating look at Chuckie's character - and he is extremely in character here), check out this fic. It's called "Some Call it Life", by plasticphoenix, and it's a great look at how an in-character Chuckie and Angelica come together and how their relationship works through ups and downs. There are also two prequels ("Scenes from Here", which inspired Road Trip, and "Prelude to Life", a similar study of Angelica) which you might find interesting to see why I think C/A would work so well. |
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| staredcraft | Jan 19 2008, 02:45 PM Post #23 |
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Look guys the main reason I avoided this thread was, in the early days of it, I didn't want to just make posts that was all T/K Biased...and then later, Chuckierulez said what needed to be said (about how it felt out of place for P/K to happen) so I felt no need to post anything. I just, like i almost always try to do anyway, tried to avoid causing trouble and I felt that if I posted here, that's all it would have led to. |
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| acepilot | Jan 19 2008, 07:38 PM Post #24 |
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Stared, the point of this thread was to make posts that were T/K biased. No-one else did, really. They all just made anti-P/K ones. Anyway, it wouldn't have been causing trouble: this thread was trouble from the moment of its creation. :) Just try and make sure you contribute more in future, I guess, so you're aware of what's being talked about. |
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| Regineman96 | Dec 21 2011, 07:15 PM Post #25 |
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Um, what is two-timing? |
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| Regineman96 | Dec 21 2011, 07:18 PM Post #26 |
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This romance stuff is putting me to sleep. And as for Anita...didn't like her, as she was only in ABU. That is the equivalent of Olivia only being in Fear Of Falling. |
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| Regineman96 | Dec 21 2011, 07:21 PM Post #27 |
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Tommy and Kimi...ARE YOU F*CKIN KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW? |
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| chuckierulz55 | Dec 22 2011, 01:27 AM Post #28 |
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Two timing is cheating in a relationship, or in Tommy's case, perceived cheating. In the All Broke Up episode it showed two different girls that he was involved with (although with one of those girls, he had only gotten her phone number). At the end of the episode when Rachel showed up and Tommy was hanging out with said other girl, the situation suddenly looked like he was two timing. |
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| Regineman96 | Dec 22 2011, 06:52 AM Post #29 |
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Um, thanks. I never got two-timed in my life. |
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| luke42 | Dec 22 2011, 06:30 PM Post #30 |
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Regineman, no offense, but if the romance stuff puts you to sleep, why'd you make replies to this thread? :D |
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