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Topic Started: Jun 15 2011, 10:14 PM (2,790 Views)
Scorpion
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and I still don't see the necessity of having 10-15 co-hosts for one game. It's very gaytarded.
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oh and yeah I figured Sub was going to go first. Lucario had already made up his mind he was flipping because his low self-esteem couldn't handle being voted useless.

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Kano,Jun 20 2011
01:36:36 AM
As far as the hosting styles are concerned, I'll admit that this game deserves flack for it.

Fuck that. I don't think you have any right to criticize my hosting style when I have not shown any bias in this game ever. You can say that individual hosts deserve flack, but the game as a whole? No. Fuck that. I recognize that there's been some open bias from some of my cohosts here, and I've called them out on it and we've dealt with it. So I take offense to you saying the hosting styles in this game overall deserve flack, because that's bullshit.

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The typical cohost fleet for these games is extremely transparent about who they like and who they don't like


Being transparent and being biased are two completely different things. It's not our fault if we try to be nice, but fakeness shines through sometimes. All hosts do that. It's what we're supposed to do: be courteous and sympathetic to players when they get booted. If sometimes that comes off as fake, that isn't bad hosting. So fuck that comment as well.

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but look at who the main host is for most of the time: Blondz


Actually the main host of this game would be me.

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Considering that Blondz hosts a game practically every two months or so, these people are used to that kind of postitive attention. They're conditioned to speak their minds - they see a main host do it all of the time.


Um... fuck that. Are you being serious? I am my own person and my hosting style is drastically different than Blondz. Just because I've seen her host often doesn't mean that her more aggressive and upfront hosting style will rub off on me. So if you're going to criticize the hosting style of this game as a whole, I personally think you can screw off. Criticize individual people, not the game as a whole.
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Scorpion,Jun 20 2011
05:51:23 AM
and I still don't see the necessity of having 10-15 co-hosts for one game. It's very gaytarded.

I can't take anyone seriously who uses the word gaytarded. I mean, I get being witty and original, but that's just annoying.

Anyways, the reason that they have that many cohosts is pretty understandable to me? Once you have so many cohosts, it becomes essentially impossible to reject any of your closer friends. How are you going to say no when you already have 11? "Sorry, I've already fill my quota of too many." Nope, that's not acceptable socially.

But I actually think T18 uses them well. The cohosts here have really stepped up and helped with various aspects (spam challenges, some of them have hosted TCs, some of them have hosted challenges). T18 is a busy guy (I think I don't actually know), and he has other priorities. It's understandable.

Plus, it's nice to have a billion people comment on your confessional. Having been in games where you only get one or two comments for something that you've worked hard on, it's difficult to swallow.

...I should really stop with the essays.
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The timing of those two posts could not be more appropriate. Response is comign up in a jiffy!
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Scorpion
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LOL the more you post in here the more I'm seeing why people hated your guts. You really are arrogant.
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Scorpion,Jun 19 2011
10:52:36 PM
oh and yeah I figured Sub was going to go first. Lucario had already made up his mind he was flipping because his low self-esteem couldn't handle being voted useless.

The cause of which was solely me, of course. :rolleyes:
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Shang Tsung
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The reason I personally have so many cohosts is because:

1) Like Kano said, I'm kind of busy and need people to pick up my slack on nights that I can't be here. Example: the past 3 nights in a row. I need them.

2) It's more fun and interesting (in my opinion) to have a host blog full of discussion from upwards of 7 or 8 people, as opposed to 2 or 3. I'd much rather have the opinions of 7 or 8 people to read and comment on after the game, as opposed to just a couple.

3) I know I personally love getting attention in my confessional, and having a lot of cohosts make that happen for the players too.
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Only like 3 of you ever showed up in my confessional. Which is more than fine, I dislike most of them anyway <3
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I only got excited when Frost was in my confessional. <3
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Sub-Zero,Jun 20 2011
02:06:32 AM
I only got excited when Frost was in my confessional. <3

omg same. And whoever had the horns. Shao Kahn or something.
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Now I feel like I wasted my time commenting in your confessionals. :(
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Shang Tsung,Jun 19 2011
11:10:39 PM
Now I feel like I wasted my time commenting in your confessionals. :(

It's nothing against you, Formaldehyde. But, I mean... Frost.
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Fuck that. I don't think you have any right to criticize my hosting style when I have not shown any bias in this game ever. You can say that individual hosts deserve flack, but the game as a whole? No. Fuck that. I recognize that there's been some open bias from some of my cohosts here, and I've called them out on it and we've dealt with it. So I take offense to you saying the hosting styles in this game overall deserve flack, because that's bullshit


The co-hosts that you choose are still an aspect of the game, though. I'm going to use Wheel of Fortune as my example here. Vanna White's main job is to turn letters over and sit to the left of Pat's arm at the end of each episode. While her job is not nearly as important as Pat's, she is still an integral part of the viewing experience. Her mere presence can add or detract from an episode, and I think that your cohosts are the same way.

Thus, if your cohosts are rubbing players wrong (which they have here, that cannot be denied), then the overall gaming experience has been lessened. I'm not saying that your game is a piece of shit in the least; it's visually appealing, the challenges have been more diverse than past seasons of your games (or at least, I think they have been), and most importantly, the cast is interesting. It's just not perfect.

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Being transparent and being biased are two completely different things. It's not our fault if we try to be nice, but fakeness shines through sometimes. All hosts do that. It's what we're supposed to do: be courteous and sympathetic to players when they get booted. If sometimes that comes off as fake, that isn't bad hosting. So fuck that comment as well.


Transparency and bias are two different things, but unfortunately they're very much intertwined in this case. When/if a cohost feigns affection for a contestant that they clearly hated, it shines through. It comes across as fake, and everyone (the player, the hosts, those witness it) sees it. Light shines through the transparency, revealing bias.

It's not necessarily bad hosting, but it makes the player feel like they're lesser because they weren't necessarily a favorite. Trust me, I've got a huge ego, and when I hear someone say that they love Liu more than me (and I LOVE Liu), it stings because I feel like I've given in a ton of effort that may not be recognized.

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Actually the main host of this game would be me.


I clarified this with you in AIM, and I later changed my post. I am pretty sure that it was clear through most of that paragraph, but I'm sorry if you think I would undermine your position as the main host o fhtis game. I'd also think it's pretty ridiculous of you to think that I would assume that Blondz is the main host, considering that you originally approached me, and I approached you to be a replacement. I knew you were in charge, don't worry.

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Um... fuck that. Are you being serious? I am my own person and my hosting style is drastically different than Blondz. Just because I've seen her host often doesn't mean that her more aggressive and upfront hosting style will rub off on me. So if you're going to criticize the hosting style of this game as a whole, I personally think you can screw off. Criticize individual people, not the game as a whole.


Your hosting style may be different, but there ARE many aspects of your games that are reminiscent of a Blondz game. I'm about to go off on a mini-tirade here (lol nothing new there), but I'd say that Blondz is THE most influential person in gaming today. She makes everyone's graphics, everyone picks up on her speech patterns, she's a cohost everywhere, and the same cohost fleet in her games is seen here. She has a presence in this game whether you like it or not, T18. You are still your own entity and you're very good at hosting, but Blondz's presence and involvement in this game is certainly visible.

I said somewhere that you were doing well without being biased. I don't know if it was in private or in this thread, but it has been said. Blondz's overbearing tendencies do rub off though, and it's with the rest of your fleet. They can fight me all they want (and I expect and hope that they will), but I'm speaking to you as someone who is actually playing the game and witnessing it.

~*In Conclusion*~

I really hope that you're not taking this personally, T18. I love you to death and am slightly surprised by how riled up you're getting (it's understood though). Just please know that I'm not trying to attack the integrity of this game, but rather am trying to improve upon it's one or two flaws. You should be proud that people have to attack your cohosts. That's such a minor, nit-picky thing anyways and it speaks volumes about the game alone.
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you have WAY too much time on your hands...
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