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| NecrisTEWQ | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 01:46 PM Post #1 |
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This is basically for the L4D nuts ere that want to do the campaigns on expert. Ok so we've all had our winges about Tk'ing (and yes we've ALL done it, and i don't need to hear about how i've done it the most, because poison still holds that title :P) and various other things etc etc. So I thought for those that want to actually finish a campaign on expert we get together a list of the things that we think other people are doing wrong or doesn't mull well with their play style within the game, that way a compromise or an actual tactic can be worked together that actually uses our strengths to "OUR" advantage. Wolf - You tend to want to rush to fast too much, which allows zombies that arn't seen or forgotten to get a cheap shot at us, and that happens 5 times (which it usually happened about 15 - 20 times through the campaign) your out of health. I use the hunting rifle, and everyone seems to have a lack of respect for it, yes, 1 shot on expert will down you, but you all seem eager to prance around the front of me like Hulk-Hogan trying to dance swan lake. It is relatively useless in buildings yes, but the open areas i can take everyone out so we can bolt across with no risk of getting cheap shotted by a stray, the hunting rifle "DOES" have it's uses. Wolf seems to be the only one that knows how to crouch, if your in the lead and are shooting something, crouch so others can help, by "NOT" shooting you while trying to help you. Jamsin - Your lack of opinion, when wolf and I are debating such matters all you usually do is mute yourself while laughing, I'd like to hear your opinion on things aswell, which may help wolf or I change our perspective on things. Hiss - Get your ass online into one of our games on expert some time ![]() Got a couple things about the tank but ill say that later. |
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| JAMSIN | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 02:30 PM Post #2 |
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I keep quiet cos most of the time you're both right. Tactically speaking we need to move like soldiers do, in a line / formation so that neither team mate crosses paths, point man controls the lead and everyone behind stacks up watching angles. Calling out if moving forward or whenever being attacked. Were not playing doom so dont go wandering off solo and gung-ho. If you want to snipe/use the rifle then you're at the back or side covering our approaches but maintaining the pace as to what were doing. you have to move fast and hit fast if you snipe not sit taking pot shots for 15mins while were moving up, cos we'll then have to back track if you get zerged (same goes for anyone else not keeping the pace). Problem is most people strafe to the side to claim that shot which means as were firing you're moving into our firestream (you being anyone) so when we get rushed pick a spot and cover it. |
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| Lonely Wolf | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 02:43 PM Post #3 |
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Dude you know i love you man. But your post shows just how delusional you are.
Dude i dont know how to explain this to you, ive tried so many times. In expert roughly 50% of deaths will be caused by Tanks and 50% by hoards. Special infected are nothing to worry about. If you stick together every time you get the warning hunters and smokers are of no trouble, the exception to this is if they attack during a hoard in which case i attribute the death to the hoard. Boomers are a problem as they trigger a hoard. Remember 50% of deaths are by hoards. Single infected cause less than 1% of deaths and less than 10% of health loss. In other words they are nothing to worry about. What you do have to wary about is the hoards, remember 50% of deaths are by hoards. Hoards work on a spawn rate, i dont know what the calculation is, but it's easy to say they spawn every few mins. So to clarify the longer you play the more hoards you fight and the more chance you have of dieing. I dont suggest that you rush, as you accuse me of, but you have to keep moving!!!!
The hunting rifle is good and all but has little use in expert. As you see half of the deaths are caused by tanks and the other half are caused by hoards. Guess what, the sniper is the worst weapon for both of these. What the sniper is good for is specials and single infected. Self Quote.
Now you better watch your mouth boy. The Wolf dont prance and if you really want to see the kind of wrestler i am i'll fly down to Q land and arm bar the fuck out of you. Bro he has an opinion he is just nicer than me and doesnt want to tell you your wrong. Now Hiss, maybe he just doesnt like getting shot. Now if i sound mad its nothing personal it's just that you made me type. Edited by Lonely Wolf, Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 02:45 PM.
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| Cerberus1880 | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 03:01 PM Post #4 |
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Hey, Ive never TK'd.
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| King Hiss | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 03:11 PM Post #5 |
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I think you're over analyzing it. You don't need some military style to finish a level. Just stick together, cover all angles, and as Wolf explained - KEEP MOVING! Single file through buildings and whatever suits through open spaces. And Necris, every time you've shot me I've been standing still, unleashing a wall of bullets into a bottleneck spot as a horde is plowing through. It's always when I'm not moving and trying to hold ground that you shoot me from behind and tell me to not walk in front of your gun. It defies logic. Been playing this a bit with my brother. He's getting the hang of it now. Should be right to drag him along on some expeditions. |
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| NecrisTEWQ | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 05:21 PM Post #6 |
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Hehe i made wolf type, point to me! I'd like to see the offical link to where you got those stats wolf? Cause if it's personal stats, everyones will be different, my personal stats are completely different, about 60% I'd get wasted by the tank, about 5% for the witch, and about 20% for SI, and single zombies getting a cheap shot, and another 20% for hordes. Hordes are low on the kill scale fo the simple reason is that the bots usually don't go line up in front of me, effectively completly cutting off me being able to shoot. Another thing is that the Hunting rifle is a f'in powerful gun, able to down you in a single shot, we all probly hit each other with the same amount of "team hits" but since your all using auto's, it wont down you in one shot, where my only shot will, so I also have to be a lot more careful with my shots. And the hunting rifle is not a "useless" as you seem to think wolf, who's saved you ass with it when you get poisoned or huntered, and there is a swarm between us and you, a bullet that goes through everyone comes in quite handy then doesnt it? And numerous other times.... Another thing, hunting rifle is good for BOTH tanks and swarms, tanks - the fact that it can deal HUGE amounts of damage before it even gets near you, a lot more than the Spraying assault rifle, and TBH i'd rather fight it at a distance than face to face, swarms - same deal, can wipe em out before they even get within assault rifle distance. Also how can a single infected take less than 10% of health when a single hit takes an automatic min of 20%? Back when everyone was playing it EVERYONE was teamkilling all over the place, no longer like that hiss, and I never once intentionally TK'ed you either, and you cant count standing wtill when you were blasting zombies and I try to get the ones you wernt shooting at (like behind and beside) and the stray bullets hit you. EDIT: Forgot to add, i agree with the keep moving bit, but not at the sprint pace wolf likes, and yes i do tend sit in some sposts longer than others, but usually only when its useful. And wolf we've had this argument before, campaign IS NOT SURVIVAL, time is not the only and main factor to when you gets hordes, its ran by the same statistics as a witch and tanks spawn is, it's mostly in regards to how much health, med-kits, and weapons and ammo you have , time only comes in when youve bbeen in one spot tooo long, that why they use an AI director instead of the survival time system. Don't force me to get the vid of the devs actually saying that. Edited by NecrisTEWQ, Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 05:26 PM.
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| King Hiss | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 05:45 PM Post #7 |
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I never said you intentionally TKed me, but I definitely wasn't sticking my head in front of your gun either. The way I see it, the game has 2 very distinct areas of play - indoor and outdoor. Indoor should generally be played single file with machine guns and shotty's for mass effect. The levels which are outdoors should involve a more diamond formation so all sides are covered. The outdoors is when a hunting rifle is good to use to clear the path ahead. Indoors, it's completely inappropriate compared to the other options. |
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| NecrisTEWQ | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 05:58 PM Post #8 |
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Completly agree with you there, but i just keep the rifle due to i dont know when the AID will give you more guns later on. |
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| Lonely Wolf | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 06:21 PM Post #9 |
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I give up man i think you are clinically retarded. It's the same shit out of you mouth every time we have this conversation. Im having lunch now but might clarify some of my points later. |
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| King Hiss | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 06:33 PM Post #10 |
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| MarcusAurelius6 | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 06:38 PM Post #11 |
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OMG all this over A GAME!!! I think you all need to take time out and realise that this shouldn't be turning into an argument, everyone has their opinions and no matter how much you talk it out it will still be the same! I know me for one when I rented the game I was a run and gunner, hey its the way I like to play my games. But I can stick to a team plan as well. Necris you need to understand that if you want to work as a team automatic rifles win out more often, I know you have a liking for your one shot kills, playing solo thats fine but in a team that wont work. On the team killing, you shot me in the back more than I like to remember too! Only to hear, "Don't run infront of me!" with me standing perfectly still at the time. No one does it on purpose and everyone wants to win. If you don't like the way people play the game then don't play with them, Simple! |
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| King Hiss | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 06:46 PM Post #12 |
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Chill pill Martha, it's all in good fun. It's a geek ritual to fiercely argue over something dorkish in pure jest. It's a sign of nerd love. |
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| JAMSIN | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 06:56 PM Post #13 |
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How long have you waited to use that "Jerry" emoticon? I bet you were itching to use that. |
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| Frosted Crown | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 06:56 PM Post #14 |
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I think just shoot the crap out of everything and keep moving. Also try to not to shoot each other. |
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| Lonely Wolf | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 07:03 PM Post #15 |
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First off Necris i apologizes. There is no need for me to be say mean things to you. You are a nice guy and i enjoy playing with you (except when you shooting me). I am just frustrated that we have to constantly go through this. Yes the stats are my own, sorry that i didnt make that clearer. I am sure others are different but not drastically.
50, 60, we both agree with this then.
I think a little lower but again im not arguing.
Why are you dying that often? i already told you that smokers and hunter dont cause a problem if you stick together unless its with a hoard. Please explain.
Are you saying 20% for singels? I think you have to open you eyes boy as that makes no sense.
Now this is where i mistake you for being retarded. Are you saying that your hunting rifle make you better at fighting hoards? 20% dont believe it for a second bud your mistaken or lying. Bots? What do Bots have to do with it are you basing your finding on games with bots?
Why are you shooting hunters or smokers off of me you should be close enough too melee, the same with swarms why are you so far away, be a team player and stay with the group.
I never said they do 10% damage , i said i receive 10% of my damage from them. |
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| NecrisTEWQ | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 08:04 PM Post #16 |
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It's all in good fun martha, and to reason out a reasonable tactic to work with when we do our expert runs ![]() Now to wolf(ill think ill just start from the top of your post and go down. Also apologize for what exactly, i'm laughing my head off (mainly at martha's post though :P) You took what I said and completly re-tarded it ![]() tank, agreed, witch it tends to spawn in stupid spots for me, or i sacrifice myself for the cause, It was 20% for single zombs and SI combined for the main reason that a good few times ive thought someone was covering my left side for example and their not and a get hit a few times. Hordes are another matter for me entirely, the moment i hear the music im in an area which is defendable for only one side, no there are no back attacks needed, and since the hunting rifle can shoot through many zombs at a time i try and get them swarming through a hallway or such so i can usually knock a whole heap down with a snigle shot. yes bots, I play single player too, and i included the percentages of ALL games i play, otherwise it wouldnt be accurate now would it? Now this I have to quote
When you have been hit by a smoker and it drags you through a swarm, i most definitely not within meleeing distance, and no way in hell am i swatching though a swarm of zombs to melee them of you and that's happened a good few times now, and even YOU cannot deny that |
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| King Hiss | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 08:22 PM Post #17 |
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| King Hiss | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 08:26 PM Post #18 |
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That is exactly why I just stick to the assault rifle. Short range stopping power but still accurate enough that you can happily pick off that annoying Smoker on a roof top. The shotty has it's place in some levels, but it and the hunting rifle are purely a novelty to me for when I want to try something different. |
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| JAMSIN | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 08:32 PM Post #19 |
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My eyes have been zerged by all that text since my last post. One of the reasons i remain silent in those discussions cos it goes on and on. |
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| NecrisTEWQ | Wednesday Jul 8 2009, 08:33 PM Post #20 |
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I try to like the AR i really do, but i just run outta ammo with it waaaay too quickly. |
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Now this is where i mistake you for being retarded. Are you saying that your hunting rifle make you better at fighting hoards? 20% dont believe it for a second bud your mistaken or lying. Bots?
Why are you shooting hunters or smokers off of me you should be close enough too melee, the same with swarms why are you so far away, be a team player and stay with the group.
and that's happened a good few times now, and even YOU cannot deny that

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