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Science and Creationism
Topic Started: Apr 29 2008, 02:25 PM (318 Views)
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I believe that this picture, sadly, sums up a large part of my argument.

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Phrixscreoth
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I'd so buy a Legend of Zelda Panda.

Yeah, Creationism is so much better, clearly!

lol.
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but what about the creation of the scientific method.

they knew they wanted answers on how we were made but had to start with theorys.

( tis bored and doesnt know if last statement makes sense)
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...It didn't make much sense. >.>

So, "they" wanted to know answers, but needed to begin with theories? No. Theories are not the starting point. One theorizes after one has accumulated facts. Starting out with a theory is called conjecture, and is just like the Creationist method.
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~Thus, I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity...~

What I got is that it's basically saying that there is no God, considering in the Creationist method the book that he's holding says Genesis...though I could just be being stupid...XD;;
Their hearts, their courage, I shall consume... and then take unto me. For I myself am too a wolf... despite what you may see.
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I just wrote a poem about you. And it isn't flattering.

Because obviously God and evolution can't exist at the same time. >>;

I think that both theories have their flaws, but find it really stupid for people to base their entire faith around them. :/
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but what if god is evolving? :O woah
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I just wrote a poem about you. And it isn't flattering.

Boy, do you know how many places in the bible say that God is unchanging?
or at least how many sermons I've heard about that basic idea?
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How Creationists Explain Evolution

I lol'd hardcore.
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I'd so buy a Legend of Zelda Panda.

*twitch-twitch*

That was physically painful to read... wow...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozbFerzjkz4

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I just wrote a poem about you. And it isn't flattering.

That was a great video Alex! Simple and easy to understand, even for non-science geeks like me.

Though I still think focusing on the creation of the earth as the one and only proof that God can or cannot exist is really stupid, and just as ignorant as each side claims the other is.
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I'd so buy a Legend of Zelda Panda.

I know; they are like brothers, these christians and athiests- they seem to be arguing simply for the sake of arguing, not really listening to the points the other side puts out and automatically assuming that the other is wrong in everything they do.
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~Thus, I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity...~

You know, at times like this, I really love Futurama...Sorry, it's just this topic reminds of the episode Godfellas. Bender ends up becoming a God, then all the people end up dying, then he actually ends up meeting God. God's advice to him is EPIC!

"You know you've done things right when people think you haven't done anything at all."

I rather like that quote...and to be more on topic, yes, I agree. They really need to compromise...or something of the like...
Edited by Sansixa, Jul 15 2008, 05:39 PM.
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There is a difference between Atheists and Scientists.

They are not arguing for the sake of arguing, nor are they really arguing at all. You see, an argument takes two sides, and it's only the religious fundamentalist (we're just most familiar with Christian fundamentalists, so we often look at them) that are trying to validate their own beliefs. The scientific community doesn't need to, they already have. Scientists aren't arguing because they don't need to.

Anyways, fundamentalists will often argue over things that they think there is debate about. They often like to say that there are "divisions" in the scientific community about things like the big bang, the origin of life, evolution, and much more. This is simply erroneous, and the only way that we hear this so much is that large number of people repeat the false things over and over, until some people forget they're incorrect. These topics are well-established and accepted by the scientific community (with exception only for that weird group of people who call themselves things like Christian scientists, but that doesn't make sense. Science is a process forming conclusions based on evidence. Christian "scientists" believe they already have the correct conclusions, so it's not science at all. It's a search for evidence that they like).

Fundamentalists like to say that these things are merely "theories," but such an "attack" only shows the fundamentalists' lack of understanding of the scientific procedure; for the term "theory" applies to what was once an hypothesis but has been backed up my large amounts of evidence and meshes well with other relevant theories. The only thing higher than "theory," that is to say something that is proven, applies only to the field of mathematics.

Just because the scientific procedure produces theories that later down the road will be changed does not mean science creates incorrect answers. No, the scientific procedure produces the best answer with the given technology and resources until more capable scientists can better the theories.

But you see, the scientific community doesn't care that much about what the fundamentalists are saying, not to mention caring about proving them wrong. Science establishes conclusions based upon repeatable experiments or observations, and thus can be demonstrated to anyone. Faith however, cannot be falsified nor proven. They are two very different ways to go about understanding things. They are two different realms of belief. The scientific procedure yields answers that accurately explain the physical universe, whereas faith yields answers for questions about spiritual topics.

Where religion begins to cross science is when fundamentalists say things such as "the Earth is 6000 years old," where they are clearly ignoring scientific answers they dislike. The irony here is that fundamentalists will proclaim that specific facts or observations are wrong when they go against their beliefs, but will accept the facts that work for them. This is EXACTLY the same as the very same fundamentalists disregarding parts of their scripture (such as the part in Leviticus about not eating shrimp) but will fight tooth and nail for another part they like (such as the part in Leviticus about not "lying with another man as with a woman").

Btw, No actual scientist uses the formation of the Earth as an argument for God not possibly existing.
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