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| J.0hN | Dec 11 2007, 02:26 AM Post #1 |
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We measure things by where we are. To the maggot in the cheese, the cheese is the universe. To the worms in the corpse, the corpse is the cosmos. So how then can we be so cock sure about our universe? Because of our telescopes and microscopes and the splitting of the atom? Certainly not. Science is but a unified system of ignorance! There is more than just the heaven and earth and our revelations of what will come to be. What about the beyond? What about whats behind the beyond? I'm afraid hardly any of us know whats beyond the behind... :ph43r: |
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| mordockdotcom | Dec 11 2007, 08:19 AM Post #2 |
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How can you be so cock sure about that? For all you know, the ideas and theories of the world's scientists are spot on. Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not giving an opinion one way or the other. I have seen absolutely no evidence that refutes the existing understanding of space and our relationship with it. At the same time, I will not deny any new ideas out of hand. My only point is this... You seem to be very sure of yourself. Are you privy to some new information that supports your claim, information that you have decided to withhold from us. Or, is this some idea that you came up with in an LCD-induced moment of clarity? At least, in general, the scientists are making an effort to understand our physical existence, and any one of them would likely go on for hours explaining why they support certain theories. |
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| J.0hN | Dec 11 2007, 11:28 PM Post #3 |
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Tooshay, Actually thats just a quote from an opening to an Insane Clown Posse song that seemed to hold some significance to me. Just used it to test out my first post. Thanks for your comments though, and sorry if I offended you... But if you'd like an argument... I suppose its easier to protest to someone's ideas than it is to come up with your own...
I find your post to have a great deal of opinion. "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocre minds. " -Albert Einstein Thanks. |
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| Insaniak | Dec 12 2007, 12:16 AM Post #4 |
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Simple. That's off topic, fewl. |
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| mordockdotcom | Dec 12 2007, 08:50 AM Post #5 |
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You didn't offend me, I never said that you did.
I never protested your idea, in fact, if you would reread my post you might find something that that looks like this: At the same time, I will not deny any new ideas out of hand. What I am protesting (to use your term) is the fact that you have given absolutely no empirical evidence to support your claim. Ideas are great. But, an idea with a hypothesis that can not be supported is a waste of time. Come on everybody, drinking gasoline is good for the body, and tastes great too. I can't tell you why, but at least it's an idea.
If a mere mediocre mind can plainly see that you have not supported your hypothesis... What do you think Einstein would have to say? |
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| J.0hN | Dec 12 2007, 12:58 PM Post #6 |
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It appears that you did come here to argue. In which case, I would just as soon let you win this one. Seeing as how my initial post doesn't have much to do with any of my personal ideas, therefor this topic can become nonsensical fastidiously! A brave attempt my friend...but a futile one A quote perhaps? "Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience." At least we managed to feed my ego Thanks. |
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| mordockdotcom | Dec 12 2007, 03:00 PM Post #7 |
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Even though I saw this, I didn't realize that you were referring to the entire post... LMFAO In any event... we're on the same page now. Peace |
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| J.0hN | Dec 12 2007, 11:08 PM Post #8 |
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Your right, I agree with you. Yay! Weeeeee. |
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| dyn | Dec 13 2007, 07:49 AM Post #9 |
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Science of this period is usually very materialistic and some of the scientists even work hard to convince people there is nothing above or below material. Well, for me, i don't believe we are just meat and bones with some electrical impulses in our brain. That would be ignoring all that exists beyond our understanding, which also, in the long run, means death of science. So any scientist who denies existence outside material is mildly retarded, if not worse. Real scientists, like Nikola Tesla, Max Planck and others always explored unknown and believed there is something more than just material. Sadly many inventions are suppressed because of greedy industry. You know, they want us to burn oil as long as possible and even go and kill for oil. And many discoveries Tesla never revealed to public, because army could misuse them. So thanks to this mentality we are recognizing 2nd grade scientists today as the best, while the best remain pretty much unknown. |
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| J.0hN | Dec 15 2007, 02:39 AM Post #10 |
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Very insightful dyn, The topic of the unknown seems to be rarely discussed in mainstream scientific studies, I suppose for good reason. The unknown boarder lines on mysticism or "spirituality" as its commonly referred to. Spirituality is usually left to the religious movements of the country, possibly created by the separation of church and state. In either case, science and spirituality are seen as separate entities. I am reminded of a song by System of a Down called "Science". The lyrics go like this: "Science fails to recognise the single most Potent element of human existence Letting the reigns go to the unfolding Is faith, faith, faith, faith Science has failed our world Science has failed our mother earth Spirit-moves-through-all-things" I remember hearing that song and getting chills. In regards to your comments about Tesla and Planck, a few people that adhere to the belief of "something more than just material" are Mahatma Gandhi, Paramahansa Yogananda and more modern spiritual teachers like Stewart Wilde and Eckhart Tolle. I believe that science, religion, astronomy or even astrology all have their place. They all (some more than others) can only point to the truth, but perhaps can't actually show it or tell it to you. Maybe the purpose of all teachings or scientific rules is to eventually transcend them. I remember even Bruce Lee speaking about attaining transcendence through his martial arts, that the writings of the Jeet Kune Do were merely pointing to the truth, and when systematically practicing the rules or "kata" of traditional martial arts would eventually bind you to them leaving no room for growth or for recognizing the universal truth that all things are one. Both science and religion (for the majority) have definitions (or rules) for what is true and for what is not true. Right and wrong...I am right, you are wrong... believe me or burn in hell. Most wars and struggle and pain have been created from this duality of thought. So what is beyond duality? Transcendence. These few paragraphs are, at best, a "finger pointing to the moon." Please do not take the finger to be the moon or fix your gaze so intently on the finger as to miss all the beautiful sights of heaven. After all, the usefulness of the finger is in pointing away from itself to the light which illumines finger and all. "If you have a particular faith or religion, that is good. But you can survive without it. " -Dalai Lama |
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| J.0hN | Mar 17 2008, 11:51 PM Post #11 |
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Hehe |
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| mordockdotcom | Mar 18 2008, 07:26 AM Post #12 |
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