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| Our State Of The Union; Camping | |
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| Levis | Jan 5 2008, 03:49 PM Post #31 |
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I don't think camping should be penalized. It's just another factor of the game, Yea I know, in a huge game campers are extremely annoying, but what can you do? There will always be campers in every FPS game you play. Personally I find campers to be easy targets. What's easier to a hit, then somebody who stays in the same spot? Most of these maps are big and you have several entrances or ways to sneak around these campers, I personally prefer blasting right through them though
Until a REASONABLE solution has been brought up I don't think anything should be done.. because as stated, limited ammo, and the "sitting still for a while = kicked" or w/e things really suck. I personally don't camp, but when you have the flag, or know somebody with the flag is coming right down where you're going to be (i'm obviously talking about ctf here lol) then you're going to wait to kill when he turns that corner or hide with the flag.. Running staight out into the open wouldn't be logical. Anyways, that's my 2 cents.
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| dyn | Jan 7 2008, 04:55 AM Post #32 |
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Yea i agree. So far best solution is to limit ammo and turn off camp detection. Admins can kick someone or players can report/record demo of someone who camps really too much and on purpose and we can ban that person, if needed. This is like any other social event -- if someone disrupts all the time and makes impossible for others to enjoy fair game, we as admins are obligated to remove that person, so others can play properly. Many times people think we are on some ego trip and crap like that. Trust me, i hate to ban people because i hate spending time with this nonsense. We see banning as a means to ensure proper game and if all people updated to PB we would probably use it all the time, but problem is if we enable PB we lose 2/3 of players. |
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| ShootTheGuts | Jan 27 2008, 10:25 PM Post #33 |
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OK. Been playing on Vogon Anarchy for a couple weeks. Tonight, for the first time, I get called a "camper" by a player . . . repeatedly. It's simple. I'm not that good at Quake. I enjoy playing, I like a fragfest, but I'm not real good, and at my age have most likely lost the manual dexterity to ever BE really good, even if I had the time to devote to it. So I fire a lot. If that's "camping," guilty as charged. But I don't stand in one spot. I run around, and I get fragged 50 times. So it's hard to see how I'm hurting the game. On the smaller maps, there is no chance to camp even if one wanted to, because I'm getting fragged every five seconds. So, please, I don't need any retards calling me a camper. I don't complain when you frag me, so don't bitch when I frag you every so often. And it's nice to know that you have an unlimited supply of players and can afford to alienate new ones for the hell of it. S_T_G |
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| mordockdotcom | Jan 27 2008, 10:53 PM Post #34 |
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First of all, thanks for posting ShootTheGuts. Believe me, we've all been called campers, noobs, and cheaters. Don't get discouraged, and don't take it to heart. Frankly, when someone accuses me of cheating, I take it as a compliment, and, well, it's pretty obvious what my views on camping are. Bottom line, keep playing however you feel like playing. As long as you are playing within the parameters of the server, then you have nothing to worry about or be ashamed of... no matter what some asshole says. I hope that you will keep on playing... and feel free to stop by the CHAOS server if you feel like some CTF action (It's SO MUCH more fun than Anarchy )
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| fub@r | Jan 28 2008, 11:41 AM Post #35 |
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First, let me welcome you S_T_G to Vogon Anarchy FFA Excessive. I've played you on numerous times, and have never seen you "camp'". One thing you should beaware of is, we have probably have the worst case scenerio, for bitching and complainers, when it comes to camping. Take some advice, take them with a grain of salt. I do, as I'm, by the sounds of it, in your age bracket. You play your game and tell the n00bs that call you a camper, to stfu bitch :} Secondly, I hope you voted on my Camping Poll I've started. And while your there, please, vote on my topic, Sane and Insane. And if you need assistance of any kind, please feel free to ask, I'm always on the server.
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| Thirtysixway | Jan 28 2008, 07:16 PM Post #36 |
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I've camped before, but it was in a desperate attempt as I was in last place anyway. I don't really mind campers, it's fun to blow their cover and frag em. |
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| ES*AllyMcBeal | Jan 29 2008, 03:57 AM Post #37 |
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I vote for the anti-camp by slowing down your firing rate. There are plenty of good reasons to stand and deliver, or hide and snipe. That said, it's also tough to snipe more than twice from the same position without having your first kill come back and get you! That makes things self limiting. The one thing that does annoy me are the strap-hangers on QTourney6_ctf who cover the pair of spawns on the back row. Tactically, it's a good move and the game setup allows it, but it's also kinda noob-ish, and they're fun to rail afterwards -- once you survive spawning, that is. About the only way to prevent spawn camping is the toss-spawn I've seen in Anarchy, thought sometimes you get flung over the edge or something, depending on the map. It makes it tougher, at least, and is a good alternative if admin doesn't have anti-camp ammo limits turned on. Simply, if the Config allows it, it's legal, or the admin would have done it differently. Whining about the guy with a gazillion gernades is whining about the game setup. Roll your own if you don't like it. That's another reason to like the minimal-ammo settings, because it forces you to think about your ammo and change weps frequently. That adds to the game, not detracts from it. My two cents. |
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| irideck | Mar 6 2008, 08:53 PM Post #38 |
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I, too, have mixed feelings on this. I'm a semi-camper on CTF Chaos, because there are times when you KNOW there's someone following you, and you just have to wait a sec to blast them and give yourself some extra time to get back to your base. However, there are some people who like to camp spawn points, particularly the 3-4 spawn points on the second-to-last row of Tourney6, the second space map with the crushing block and moving platform. Doing it every now and then is okay to buy some time, but when you have 2-3 people camping the flag point or spawn points, it's no longer interesting to capture the flag; I'd rather go blast campers. With that said, that's why I love playing with/against guys like Mordockdotcom, RS, Levis, Fleshripper, and other agile players. For some of us, you can camp all you want. We WILL blast your @$$ eventually! I hope this helps. As with all things in life, I think moderation is key. Until next time! IriDeck |
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| CROSs | Mar 6 2008, 11:49 PM Post #39 |
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OK the camping subject. I voted in a poll earlier today and don't feel like finding the thread. I voted against it. However, some good points have been broght up. I agree in the CTF there are some times it only makes sense not be out in the open, absolutely! I have been in 1 or 2 servers, since I am fairly new, that have a 5 sec stagnant rule. The suicide or move is a double edged sword. It keeps peepz from spawn camping, but it makes EVERYONE stay on the move. Here's the catch that's in a Free For All server. In CTF, like stated earlier in the thread, waiting is necessary and can be part of the strategy. In a server like Vogon CTF you have the speed/hook to out maneuver an opponent who wants to stay stationery and camp. On top of that campers are sometimes just new comers to q3 and are getting adjusted. I've been there, done it and have seen the players who find a spot to fire from. They quickly break that habit in a server like Vogon and learn to move. Anywayz, in the end the server is fine imo and an awesome place to game! No immaturity tolerated or encouraged. I will soon be able to donate and will be. I would be lost w/out hook though lol :ph43r: ^+1 on Irideck we will blast you politely! >:) |
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| dyn | Mar 22 2008, 05:27 AM Post #40 |
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To summarize years of debates regarding camping -- when playing fast FFA games there is almost no need for camping, but it is tolerated, to a degree. In slower item-based team or FFA games, where you need to protect some item or powerup, usually for your team, then some guarding/camping is needed. Nothing wrong with that, but personally i don't like campers binded with hook to some wall and sniping towards some item. Problem is when people camp spawn spots, especially if respawned player has no weapons and low protection. Some games like CS also suffer from excessive sniper spam, players with no skills in general. Of course same sniping can be good in CTF, again, to a degree. I think nobody would like to play with a team of snipers or spawn spot campers. So, it's aimless to just ask if camping is OK or not. In some games you need a bit of camping, in some games even a lot of it, while fast-paced FFA games usually don't need any camping at all -- and players hate people who constantly camp around powerups and similar. |
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Until a REASONABLE solution has been brought up I don't think anything should be done.. because as stated, limited ammo, and the "sitting still for a while = kicked" or w/e things really suck. I personally don't camp, but when you have the flag, or know somebody with the flag is coming right down where you're going to be (i'm obviously talking about ctf here lol) then you're going to wait to kill when he turns that corner or hide with the flag.. Running staight out into the open wouldn't be logical. Anyways, that's my 2 cents.


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