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| camper_cootie | Mar 19 2008, 06:03 AM Post #1 |
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Man, I hate to be the one to start this topic but the issue of spawn camping continues on the space map with the big press in the middle. Several regulars still do it and there are many people that continually see it. I don't personally care too much if both teams are equally matched but in case where I have only 2 bots on my teams against 4 human players and one of them is spawn camping. It's kinda difficult to enjoy the game. Not to mention the fact that I don't like spawn dying 5 times in a row. It's very frustrating especially when the map is full of players. Believe me, I ever get pissed when players on my team are spawn camping. I try to get them to quit and if not I switch to the other team and focus all ammo on them. This however isn't part of CTF and shouldn't be allowed to continue. I will not mention names, but the same players keep doing it after several people have asked them to stop. I would HATE to have limited ammo or removal of this map, but it's getting to the point where I hate playing on one of my most favorite maps. Any feedback would be appreciated. I even told a regular player one day to quit spawn camping and he said it was ok because he was a noob. MY FLESH ALMOST BOILED OFF MY SKIN when he said that. Everybody has their own way of enjoying the game. Some people hate "WHINING" because it ruins their game, well spawn camping ruins mine. I mean, seriously if you don't mind dying repeatedly while the other team scores then don't both responding to this topic. I'm looking for resolve not argument. LOL FRAG YOU ALL LATER DarthCootie |
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| PAGANEO.COM | Mar 19 2008, 06:37 AM Post #2 |
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Its much better to return the flag by your own team or by yourself not automaticly, i think that sucks, and as for the flag dropped i guess it could be like 15 sec i didnt get the ""Just fixing things can be boring so i added few extra settings, for your enjoyment. First is vg_flagTime which sets time after which your flag EXPIRES, like Quad or any other powerup!""" thing Please dont make it instantly return its better to kill the carrier and then get the flag quickly before the other team returns it |
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| dyn | Mar 19 2008, 06:45 AM Post #3 |
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It is 10-15 sec now, default is 15 sec. Q3 default is 30 sec which seems like ages with our speed. Anyway, instant returns (0-2 sec) may be cool for very fast games, but in big maps 15 sec may be better, makes game more interesting. Best is to just play on CTF and you will see how it works. Flags are now like powerups, with countdown timer. In my view this is cool, because it works against people who like to hide somewhere with enemy flag and wait for team members to get team flag back. |
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| dyn | Mar 19 2008, 06:49 AM Post #4 |
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You are right. I saw this shitty way of playing when i was testing new mod changes today. It's pathetic. They just bind with hook somewhere and fire towards flag position. We need to reenable normal ammo, not unlimited, and maybe camp protection as well. Speaking of camp protection... Right now it slows down your firing rate and takes away more ammo per shot. We can remove slowing down, if that would be better. Or i can add something else as well. |
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| mordockdotcom | Mar 19 2008, 07:33 AM Post #5 |
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Some of the CTF changes might work, others I'm not too fond of from just reading... but I will go into it with an open mind, and wait to make any actual comments until after I have tried the new settings. While changes are being made, though. How would people feel about lowering the floor on the space maps a touch. Nothing extreme... just a little more forgiveness from friendly fire. If this is not a popular opinion, then it's not a big deal, just thought I'd toss it out there. Thanks for making the fixes and changes, dyn... now for the testing .
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| mordockdotcom | Mar 19 2008, 07:47 AM Post #6 |
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I'm with you CC... I usually either just go spec on that map right off the bat, or end up focusing all of my attention on the spawn-campers (from either team). I do think that it's important, as we have to do every time this topic comes up, to distinguish between spawn-camping and spamming or camping in general. My beef is only with the spawn-camping. If someone is just blasting the flag and I just run right into it, shame on me. Same goes for spamming in general. Is it annoying? Yes. But it's just another hurdle to jump (literally sometimes) when trying to get the flag. My point is... if there MUST be changes made to account for the spawn camping on a single map, can we PLEASE restrict those changes to the one map where we are having the problems? please. please. please As with my comments on the CTF mod thread, I have not had a chance to play today, so I will wait until I can actually see what, if any changes have been made before I post any more. |
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| dyn | Mar 19 2008, 08:01 AM Post #7 |
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It's nothing drastic, captures are usually done under 30 sec and timeout is 60 now. When flag is dropped it's usually picked up in a few seconds or even instantly, so 10-15 sec timeout almost never happens. PLUS all this is adjustable on-the-fly, so if you want boring games or let-me-hide-with-your-flag-somewhere games, it IS possible!!
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| camper_cootie | Mar 19 2008, 11:03 AM Post #8 |
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Specifically DYN on the map I was referring to, it's not the spamming of the flag that bothers me. I can always score through spam. It's hooking to the side and firing MG with quad at spawn points. I've seen players rack up numerous points just spawn killing and getting the same player 5 to 7 shots in a row. First off, DOC I agree with you as well. I really appreciate the attention that has been given to this thread, but I would love to see if we can limit the changes made to just that map as well. I really don't wanna be responsible for the majority of the players on CHAOS being upset with somewhat limited ammo LOL. I only have the issue with one map as it is harder to get away from the spawn campers on it. It's only the one space map with the giant press in the middle and quad and a teleporter on the other side. If you get a chance DYN I can give you a list of players to keep an eye out for on that particular map so you can see what they're doing. I really like the way the mod has been set up for CHAOS and really really really don't want it to change. I would just like to see people have more of a chance at winning because they weren't having to deal with spawn campers LOL. I can waste most of my game on just spawn campers and score high. Depending on the camper that is. |
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| camper_cootie | Mar 19 2008, 11:06 AM Post #9 |
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When you hook to the side of a map and spam a spawn point and a player spawns and dies 5 in a row before managing to get free of that trap it's spawn camping. If you are camping any other way to protect your flag or your base that's different. If you are just spawn killing players to get points then you're not helping your team and you're pissing off other players. |
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| mordockdotcom | Mar 19 2008, 11:09 AM Post #10 |
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His point, I think, is that there is no way to distinguish between the two within the mod parameters. |
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| camper_cootie | Mar 19 2008, 11:57 AM Post #11 |
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I guess so. Oh well, people are already getting pissed at me LOL. Sweetmedicine had a cow cuz I told him I complained and now we have limited ammo and camp protection on. DEFINITELY NOT WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR LOL |
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| mordockdotcom | Mar 19 2008, 12:01 PM Post #12 |
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sorry, I'm at work so can't log on... is it just for that map, or everywhere? |
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| camper_cootie | Mar 19 2008, 12:07 PM Post #13 |
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IT'S EVERYWHERE DUDE lol.......Although I love that one map i would rather see it go then have everybody suffer these changes. |
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| camper_cootie | Mar 19 2008, 12:37 PM Post #14 |
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Well, they can be fun and they are my favorite maps. But I have better games on other maps. |
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| Levis | Mar 19 2008, 01:15 PM Post #15 |
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I'm sorry dyn, but I don't consider camping the flag half as bad as spawn camping. Spawn camping is when you attach yourself to the side of the second row and fire down it, because it's the place most people spawn. If somebody is camping the flag, sure it's noobish, but we've already gone over this it's part of the game. Spawn camping on the other hand is a hell of annoying. If you really just want to shoot people, shoot from your side of the map at the other side... you get more points because it counts as a defence shot, and people are less likely to get mad. :mad: Anyways, I haven't been on yet.. though i'm just about to. If there is limited ammo and a "camp protection" (something that happens if you stay in one spot for too long) i'm gunna be :mad: and post again Because there's plenty of scenarios which staying in one spot is necessary. If you see a guy running your way, you aren't going to run out right infront of him and try to kill him.. your going to wait for the right moment. Also if you have the flag, running around usually isn't the best thing to do. One of the reasons this server is fun is because of the unlimited ammo.. sure mg spamming gets annoying, but it's even more annoying when your bfg jumping with the flag to avoid shots in a space level, and you run out of ammo... aka, you fall.Anyways, cya on the game
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